Re: Unilang: the Grammar

Hi!

If I may butt in, to the person writing on Tyl-Sjok,
why is it that you decided on making simple concepts
like "come/go" into long phrases as you said
("move-use-foot").  Is it to resemble Mandarin or
something?  Just curious...

-Matt

--- Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
> writes:
> > > So, you can freely combine "come" or "go"
> optionally with a direction,
> > > or a mode of motion, or both.  I 've never
> thought about it before, but
> > > this system seems rather neat and elegant to me.
> Anywyay, just thought
> > > I'd share.
> > >
> >
> > What a neat system!!! I love it! Maybe I'll borrow
> it for a future conlang of
> > mine? :))
>
> I like that too.  I'm still thinking about how to
> make it nice in
> Tyl-Sjok which does not allow compositions like
> that.  You need to
> use auxiliaries for place, time and manner.
>
> Currently, `to walk' translates `move use foot'.
> And `Peter runs into
> the house' would be `Peter fast move use foot
> arrive-at X interior'.
> But that's so long!  Probably `move' would be
> dropped, but that
> doesn't help too much.  Furthermore, it's a but
> inconsistent to allow
> `fast' direct modification, but not `foot'.  Hmm...
>
> I don't know how my language works.  I need more
> investigation. :-(
>
> > BTW, is Chinese as strict as Japanese when it
> comes to choose between "come" and
> > "go", or is it more liberal like English or
> French?
>
> Hmm.  What do you mean?  Like using `go' not for the
> mere action but
> for the result?
>
>    I go to the cinema.
>
> This isn't possible in Chinese.  You'd say:
>
>    wo3 qu4 kan4 dian1-ying3.
>    I   go  watch film.
>
> The direct translation,
>    wo3 qu4 dian1-ying3-yuan3.
>    I   go  cinema.
>
> would mean to go there, but not implying to watch a
> film.
>
> But the other usages I found quite the same as in
> English:
>
>    ni3 gen3 wo3 lai2!
>    you with me come
>    Come with me!
>
>    ni3 dao4 wo3 zhe4-li3 lai2!
>    you to   me  here     come.
>    Come to  me!
>
>    ni3 dao4 ta1     na4-li3 qu4!
>    you to   him/her there   go.
>    Go to him!
>
>    wo3 qu4 guo4  tai2-wan1.
>    I   go  EXP   Taiwan.
>    (EXP is an aspect marker for a completed action
> and a completed result)
>    I (once) went to Taiwan.
>
>    wo3 lai2 le0   tai2-wan1.
>    I   go   PERF  Taiwan.
>    (PERF is an aspect marker for a completed action
> but a non-completed result)
>    I've come to Taiwan.
>
> I hope I made no mistakes...
>
> ?? Or was the question about something completely
> different? :-)
>
> **Henrik

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