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Re: Alborgian/ Borgi

From:John Vertical <johnvertical@...>
Date:Friday, May 30, 2008, 20:25
Getting back from the labial vs. lateral track: since there is no emphatic
'b' or 'm' or 'f', is there any way to spell an "emphatic-colored" vowel
after a labial, say, /ma/? Do these combinations even occur?

Alborgian is looking pretty cool in general so far, BTW.

On Wed, 28 May 2008 21:18:56 -0500, Eric Christopherson wrote:
>On May 28, 2008, at 5:43 PM, Tristan McLeay wrote: > >> The place of articulation >> with "-ised" means that a central (i.e. non-lateral) approximate is >> made in this area. It depends on the native language whether it begins >> before, concurrently with, or after the lateral approximate. > >Interesting! I never knew there was much leeway there.
And this makes me realize, it's possible to contrast [lM\)] with [lL\)]. Something to remember when fine-tuning sound change pathways, I suppose. The 2nd should probably be called a dubbelarticulated corono-velar lateral (I say "corono" because I seem to remember that for more than one language with an /l 5/ contrast, the contact point is alveolar for /l/ but dental for /5/, or vice versa.)
>Does anyone know exactly how to characterize their /l/?
An apico-alveolar lateral approximant [l_a] in most environments. Lamino-alveolar [l_m] adjacent to /j i y/, as well as optionally when geminate; apical postdental [l_+] when adjacent to /t/. If both conditions apply, it is the folloing segment that determines the articulation (altho I can not think of any instances of -tli- in my actual vocabulary, so take that with a pinch of salt) Probably not what you asked for, but there you have it anyway ;) And an interesting excercize to work out, something to remember for that future-dialect-of-Finnish project maybe… John Vertical