Re: Tsuhon: tentative phonology

Hi!

Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...> writes:
> > Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...> writes:
> > > Be happy, Yoon-Ha, because a word like "von" can be said many many ways
> > > ranging from /fOn/ to /vU/...but, I think TV-Deutsch says /fOn/.
> >
> > I *never* heard /vU/.  The strangest think I've heard is /fo:n/.
>
> Hm; do you mean, you've never heard the 'n' drop, or the /U/, or the /v/
> initially?
In High German, I never heard any of them in this word.  As I said,
the maximum was [fo:n].  This is, because the stressing method in
Middle German dialects seems to have moved to the High German
pronunciation, too (by lengthening the vowel including phone shifts to
the phones of the long vowels).  In labial context, I've heard [fOm]
(e.g. von Berlin aus).

Now, in southern *dialects*, I've heard /fUn/ (I think in Swiss
German).

Vanishing /n/ I've heard in endings in /@n/ or /6n/, but never in Vn,
with V != @ and 6.

And finally, initial /v/ I find *very* strange and don't think I can
remember to have heard that.  But Yoon Ha also said she'd encountered
that.  Maybe I simply do not notice, because the brain reconstructs
an /f/ phoneme immediately. :-)  Who knows.

**Henrik

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