Re: Tsuhon: tentative phonology

On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Henrik Theiling wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...> writes:
> > > Frank George Valoczy <valoczy@...> writes:
> > > > Be happy, Yoon-Ha, because a word like "von" can be said many many ways
> > > > ranging from /fOn/ to /vU/...but, I think TV-Deutsch says /fOn/.
> > >
> > > I *never* heard /vU/.  The strangest think I've heard is /fo:n/.
> >
> > Hm; do you mean, you've never heard the 'n' drop, or the /U/, or the /v/
> > initially?
>
> In High German, I never heard any of them in this word.  As I said,
> the maximum was [fo:n].  This is, because the stressing method in
> Middle German dialects seems to have moved to the High German
> pronunciation, too (by lengthening the vowel including phone shifts to
> the phones of the long vowels).  In labial context, I've heard [fOm]
> (e.g. von Berlin aus).
hm.. [vU"ni:46%e:Stra:kOUs] could be an example then, to take from yours
=)

> Vanishing /n/ I've heard in endings in /@n/ or /6n/, but never in Vn,
> with V != @ and 6.
What's happening in the example I gave then? Might that just simply be due
to Niederoesterreich starting with [n]? Trying to think of other examples
I could give, but I think I should probably discount my speech...I think
tho even I keep the final /n/ when I'm speaking slowly, I may lose it in
places if I'm speaking quickly.

>
> And finally, initial /v/ I find *very* strange and don't think I can
> remember to have heard that.  But Yoon Ha also said she'd encountered
> that.  Maybe I simply do not notice, because the brain reconstructs
> an /f/ phoneme immediately. :-)  Who knows.
two to one, we win ;)

Seriously tho, I'm not sure what to think. I'd put money on it that I've
heard voicing in the 'v' when the preceding sound is voiced; otoh it might
just be quite fortis voiceless.

-------ferko
Ferenc Gy. Valoczy

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