Re: Pablo is back, Job, Argentina, Relay, Lord of the Rings

At 14:07 2002-01-09 +0100, daniel andreasson wrote:
>Lars Mathiesen wrote:
>
> > However, Tolkien will have been well aware that Norse
> > hrafn would have come from an Indo-European stem very
> > like *kraban-.
>
>Really? Cool. Well, he has been stealing other stuff, so
>it's quite likely he took this as well. Or perhaps even
>more likely a combination of PIE and onomatopoeia.
>
>||| daniel

Clearly onomatopoetic IMO, tho of course the Norse *kraban- means 'raven'
while the Eldarin *krapan- means 'crow'.
The problem I see is that **if** Sindarin _craban_ were descended from
Eldarin, the Eldarin form must have had medial -p-, which doesn't strike me
as very onomatopoetic!  Thus _craban_ as an onomatopoetic word must have
been newly created at the Sindarin stage of the language.


BTW I wonder if English _crow_ might not go back to an Old English *cra:wa...




/BP 8^)>
--
B.Philip Jonsson mailto:bpX@netg.se (delete X)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__
                A h-ammen ledin i phith!                \ \
     __  ____ ____    _____________ ____ __   __ __     / /
     \ \/___ \\__ \  /___  _____/\ \\__ \\ \  \ \\ \   / /
     / /   / /  /  \    / /Melroch\ \_/ // /  / // /  / /
    / /___/ /_ / /\ \  / /Melarokko\_  // /__/ // /__/ /
   /_________//_/  \_\/ /Eowine __  / / \___/\_\\___/\_\
Gwaedhvenn Angeliniel\ \______/ /a/ /_h-adar Merthol naun
  ~~~~~~~~~Kuinondil~~~\________/~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~
|| Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda kuivie aiya! ||
"A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien)