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Re: Will

From:Gerald Koenig <jlk@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 18, 2000, 7:14
>Message-ID: <4.3.0.20000417202710.00b37220@...> >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:34:15 +0200 >From: BP Jonsson <bpj@...> >Subject: Re: Will > >At 01:08 17.4.2000 -0500, Patrick Dunn wrote: >> > >> > Historically, "will" represented simple futurity, whereas "shall" had >> > overtones of intention, command, suggestion, or what not, *except* in >> > the 1st person where the pattern was reversed. >> >>How ever did this queer pattern evolve? I've never understood it. >> >>And, of course, "shall" is often used in all persons to emphsize intent or >>constraint. "The undersigned shall blah blah blah" > >I would tend to use only _will_ for futurity, and _shall_ in the >intent/constraint sense. This clearly is influenced by the fact that I'm >Swedish: in Swedish _skall_ normally covers both functions, but to express
In the Vector tense system of of Nilenga I completely separated time (tense) from intent (modality). They are completely mixed up, blended, in English. So one can say in VTT (vector time tense) , ie, I (future) dance. [dance is a stem verb] I (want) (future) dance. I want to-dance. [the infinitive suffix/infixed verb form covers all time frames, it could be interpreted as future in context] You (future) (imperative) blah-verb. Most of the tense and modal particles form contractions, for example, "I future.." is mi + fu = mif. "I want future.." is mi+di +fu = mid fu. mi dif is also possible. "You must future.. " is vu+xa+fu= vu xaf | vux fu. There is a mini-essay on mode/tense among the old vector tense posts. I had them online, and they will return as soon as I get a new ftp site. They are still up in the deja news archives of alt.language.artificial.ngl Jerry
> > > > >/BP > > B.Philip Jonsson <mailto:bpj@...>bpj@netg.se ><mailto:melroch@...>melroch@my-deja.com >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~__ > Anant' avanaute quettalmar! \ \ > __ ____ ____ _____________ ___ __ __ __ / / > \ \/___ \\__ \ /___ _____/\ \\__ \\ \ \ \\ \ / / > / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / / > / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /Melarocco\_ // /__/ // /__/ / > /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine__ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\ >I neer Pityancalimeo\ \_____/ /ar/ /_atar Mercasso naan >~~~~~~~~~Cuinondil~~~\_______/~~~\__/~~~Noolendur~~~~~~ >|| Lenda lenda pellalenda pellatellenda cuivie aiya! || >"A coincidence, as we say in Middle-Earth" (JRR Tolkien) >