Re: Inchoactive in Jpn? (was: "Anticipatory" Tense)

--- "Douglas Koller, Latin & French"
<latinfrench@...> wrote:
> Matt (MES) wrote:
>
> >--- Raymond Brown <ray.brown@...> replied:
> >
> >  > or "starting", e.g. Japanese: hanasu "to talk"
> -
> >>  hanashidasu "to start to talk" furu "rain" -
> >>  furidasu "to start to rain"
> >
> >Really!?  I never knew that this phenomenon of
> >Japanese verbs would be considered a tense!  I just
> >lumped it, mentally, as a Japanese-language
> >characteristic as some of the other following
> >examples:
> >
> >    kaku      - "write"
> >    kakinaosu - "rewrite"
> >    ukeru     - "receive"
> >    ireru     - "put (in)"
> >    ukeireru  - "intake"
> >    wakarimasu     - "understand, know"
> >    wakarikanemasu - "not know, not understand"
> >
> >Are you sure about the above as being classified a
> >verb tense?  Also, doesn't _hanashidasu_ really
> refer
> >to something more like _to speak up (suddenly)_,
> >whereas _hanashihajimeru_ would be better suited to
> >_to start to speak_ ??
>
> Boku mo...  I'm inclined to agree with you. Though
> my mental
> lumping-together, via kanji, was with Chinese
> compound verbs. Eg:
> "hanashidasu" with "shuo1chu1lai2" ("dasu" and
> "chu1" are the same
> kanji; the kanji for "hanashi" in the sense of
> "speak" is retained in
> Cantonese "wa6", but Mandarin more frequently uses
> "shuo1" (or
> "jiang3"), that kanji being the "setsu" of
> "setsumei", "explanation".
> Obviously, this gimmick doesn't always work, but it
> helped me out
> when I plunked myself in Japan. Analogies -- they're
> a good thing.
Appreciate your giving me JPN samples for the
equivalent of the Chinese characters, understood all
of them ;-)

Speaking of Chinese, is such a trait common with the
verbals? (ie, do you also tend to place 2 verbs
together to produce a new meaning, to the degree JPN
does...  _omou > omoi_ "think", _dasu_ "put out, take
out, bring out", _omoidasu_ "recall")

M.E.S.


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