Re: Rhys Ifans! Welsh fans, another pronunciation pop question

Hi!

Rene Uittenbogaard <ruittenb@...> writes:
>...
>  > A bit puzzled,
>  >    Henrik
>
> Sorry for the confusion :)
No problem -- I'm just very interested whenever I see pronunciation
in [] brackets, and it starts categorisation machines in my brain. :-)

> ..
> [kl9yv@R\t] or [kl9yv@Rt].
> ...
> ... [X].
Ah, ok. :-)  Geef me een goede gids over gevels en grachten.

> As for the first half of |ui|: the way I pronounce it, it definitely
> starts more open than [@].  Some vowel diagrams I have seen indicate
> that the beginning of |ui| should be even more open than [9] (somewhere
> between [&] and [6] (but rounded)).
Aha!  So its a bit fronted?  That's interesting.  Concerning the
openness, when I try to be overly correct, I sometimes use [3\Y], so
the tendency to a more open vowel I can feel, too.  I have no idea if
that is ok, though...

> Also, IMO pronouncing it as [8Y] brings it dangerously close to (and
> could probably be mistaken for) [2] (which is also pronounced a bit as
> a diphtong [2Y]).
Right, that makes sense.

> And [v] or [v_0]? I've repeated the word several times now, and I think
> you're right there. I've always considered my pronunciation to be [v],
> but you leave me wondering how I normally pronounce my v's, and if it
> is dependent on position. Hmm :)
Have you tried to compare something like

   fier   vs. vier  vs. wier ?

Is it [f] vs. [v_0] vs. [v]
   or [f] vs. [v]   vs. [w]?

Or something else?

**Henrik

PS:
> (WAY past my bedtime..)
Same here. :-)

PPS:
Een gravengraf is een graf waar een graaf in ligt begraven.
Als in Graven graven gravengraven graven, graven graven gravengraven.
:-)

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