Re: YAC: Widse -- a conlang based on Ygyde

En réponse à Sally Caves <scaves@...>:

>
> Not me.  Calling his work "shit" is unacceptable.
True, but it's honest. Ignoring sound and friendly advice is *in my personal
humble opinion* worse than calling this advice "shit".

  Ordering him off the
> list
> is unacceptable.
True, but it's honest. I prefer honesty above any other thing, whatever that
means. I prefer myself to be insulted rather than simply ignored, because to
insults I can reply, not to people ignoring me.

  "I am gone" can mean a number of things.  "I have made
> an
> error that I can't apologize for,"
Which is by itself unacceptable.

>
> > The unfathomable contempt and arrogance shown by those
> > three words and the escape from responsibility they represent are
> according to
> > me worse than all the personal insults you can utter.
>
> NOT!
Now Sally, you are just being rude! Check my sentence, and see the "according
to me" part. I was stating quite clearly a personal opinion, and NOBODY is
allowed to prevent me from having a personal opinion and stating it as it is.
As I explained, in my personal humble opinion, ignoring people is still worse
than insulting them, whatever the insult (of course, ignoring an insult is
something else :)) , but Andrew ignored many more things than insults). You may
disagree with me (you obviously do), and that's fine by me. Everybody is
entitled to an own opinion (even Andrew. What I found irritating was not his
opinion on languages, but the way he was trying to make it look like it was a
universal truth). And I agree that some reactions were unacceptably strong, but
I still think they are not as bad as Andrew's behaviour during this whole
thing. It's a personal opinion, and I admit it's only that. But it's MINE, and
nobody can say "NOT!" to it. I'm entitled as much as anyone to have my personal
opinion and state it as such. You can say that you disagree, but you cannot
shout that I'm not allowed to have that opinion. You're basically acting
against my freedom of thought and speech.

Sorry for reacting so strongly, but I won't allow anyone, even a person I
otherwise admire very much, to say that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on
things. I've been prevented to have one for long enough in my youth...

  Given his goals and his mind-set, can you blame him?

Yes I can, because he wasn't even up to his own goals. Before trying to impose
your mind-set on other people, you should check that you follow your own advice
first (note that I don't exclude myself of it, but my statements are always
reflections of my opinion, and I don't try to pretend they're anything else).

  Is it that
> surprising?
>
No, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable. I am readier to forgive Padraic and
Christopher's bursts of anger, because they were at least honest, if ill-placed
and ill-conceived (hey, we're all human). But I didn't see the shadow of an
honest thought in Andrew's posts. It may be a wrong impression, but I cannot
help having it, and I read all his posts. I only saw contempt and arrogance,
from the first post on (the answer to Joseph, who was truly interested in
Ygyde, were the last straw, and didn't help changing my opinion, on the
contrary). I admit it's my impression only, and other people may have seen it
otherwise. But you can't prevent me from basing my opinions on what I see and
how I see it.

Now I see very well that you have a different opinion on this matter, and I
respect it. I just hope you'll respect mine as well.

Christophe.

http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr

Take your life as a movie: do not let anybody else play the leading role.

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