Re: YAC: Widse -- a conlang based on Ygyde

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From: "Christophe Grandsire" <christophe.grandsire@...>


> En réponse à John Cowan <jcowan@...>:
>
> >
> > Andrew has departed; I got the notification via my Strange Powers.
>
> I cannot say I am going to miss him...
>
> > I think just after he posted "I'm out of here" at the end of one of
> > his
> > messages.
> >
>
> Oh yes! He wrote "I am gone" after Sally pointed out that calling Andreas
> a "conservative" person was an arrogant behaviour, the same that other
people
> had apologised about already.
What I said, and meant, was that remarking that Andreas "must be a
conservative person," i.e., drawing a faintly insulting and personal
generalization from one of Andreas's objections (especially after calling
him a "liberal" in another post) was participating in the same arrogant and
un-thought-out ad hominem attacks that some conlangers on this list were
chastized for.  That Andreas was insulted by it was clear in his response to
it.  While it was not as ugly as ordering him to take his "auxlang shit" off
the list or shouting at him, all posts that made me cringe for the spirit of
CONLANG, I wanted him to understand that as victim of this behavior, he
wasn't to repeat it, especially when he declared at the beginning "I do not
flame."  My response, I admit shamefacedly, was driven by the fact that I
was also mildly annoyed that the good advice he got he never thanked anyone
for, that the private encouraging email I sent him was never responded to,
and that he maintains some peculiar stereotypes about women, among other
things.  I am not happy with the way I worded my criticism, I'm somewhat
ashamed of my dual fascination/annoyance with Andrew and his philosophical
language-- now supporting him, now criticizing his concepts--and the
exciting phenomenon of his appearance last week.  I do not want this email
to start a new round of Nowicki bashing.  He's gone, now let's let it be.

I am actually sorry that Andrew left.  When he said "I am gone," I was going
to invite him to participate in some of our Conlang Relays, Translation
Games, and to at least answer my survey question.  I don't think he would
have, but at least the gesture could have been made.  But he's left the
list.

> I had found that those three words were even more
> arrogant and insulting than all the colourful things some people had
already
> said against Andrew.
Not me.  Calling his work "shit" is unacceptable.  Ordering him off the list
is unacceptable.  "I am gone" can mean a number of things.  "I have made an
error that I can't apologize for," "I give up," "I can't stand you're
chastizing me and that's the last straw," "I've had it with this list, and
since you don't want me here anyway I'll go."  But we all knew from the
beginning that he had one goal, and that was to persuade us of the efficacy
and ingenuity of Ygyde.  He was therefore resistant to criticism, did NOT
understand the aims of this list or was indifferent to them, and/or had poor
social graces on line.  That's all.  He's not a demon.  And he's left his
mark here.  Good and bad.

> The unfathomable contempt and arrogance shown by those
> three words and the escape from responsibility they represent are
according to
> me worse than all the personal insults you can utter.
NOT!  Given his goals and his mind-set, can you blame him?  Is it that
surprising?

o uanta (sadly)
Sally Caves
scaves@frontiernet.net
Eskkoat ol ai sendran, rohsan nuehra uanta celyil takrem bomai nakuo.
"My shadow follows me, putting strange, sad roses into the world."

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