Re: USAGE: "gotten" (was: Latin) verb examples and tense meanings

Nik Taylor wrote:
>
> Ed Heil wrote:
> >
> > So essentially "I've got money" is more or less synonymous with "I
> > have money," and both are present tense in sense despite the fact that
> > the first is present perfect in form.
>
> Exactly.  Which is why the -'ve is sometimes dropped.  You'll hear both
> I've got money, and I got money.  In fact, it seems that "got" is
> sometimes, by children, at least, analyzed as a present tense - I've
> heard forms like "Do you got" and "I don't got" and "he gots", but only
> by children.
No, I hear this by adults all the time.  For some reason to hear things
like that sounds very wrong to my ears, but it's very common around
here.

>
> > Whereas "I've gotten money" is in fact a present perfect in sense as
> > well as form.
>
> Exactly.
>
> > I'm wondering whether there is a sense distinction between "I have
> > money" and "I've got money" now.
>
> There is, but I'm not sure exactly what it is.  "Have got" can be used
> in a sort of very-near-future sense, e.g., when I used to play baseball
> (for a single year), when there were two people who were in place to
> catch the ball, one person would shout "I('ve) got it!", so that you
> didn't have two people running for the same ball (and running into each
> other), but "I have it!" would sound unnatural unless you actually had
> it in your hand.  Of course, this might just be an idiolectal
> distinction, I'm not sure.
>
> I suspect that "got" will eventually replace "have" in the present
> tense, in America at any rate, to the point of saying things like "will
> got", thus creating suppletion between the present _got_ and the past
> _had_.  Perhaps that might be
Hmm, maybe so, but I think "will got" wouldn't be said, "will get" seems
more likely.  But that means "will acquire," although this meaning could
be lost because of it's widespread usage meaning had.  But I still don't
think "will got" would be formed...Besides, people still say "have" all
the time!

>
> > Maybe the former is a bit more formal than the latter too.
>
> Definitely.  "Have got" is definitely informal.
>
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