Re: YAEPT (stress in noun compounds) (was: 'noun' and 'adjective')

Tim May wrote:
>
> .... The primary stress is on the first syllable of "orange
> juice" and the last of "apple pie"; I can't imagine "apple pie"
> taking the pattern of "orange juice" _ever_.  "Apple cake" could,
> easily, in which case it might be written "applecake".  "Applepie" is
> impossible, I think, at least in my English.  I'm not sure if the
> restriction is semantic or phonological.
>
Aargh. Now I'll spend the whole afternoon searching for examples. It does
seem rather idiosyncratic, since all these are examples of "X made from/with
Y".  All the "pie" words seem to take rising (non-compd.) stress; all the
"juice" words take compd.(falling) stress. There seems to be some variation
with the "cake" words-- with more specific ingredients
(apple/zucchini/banana/rum/coconut__) or a common ["trade"] name (devil's
food__, Black Forest__), they want to be compounds; but with more generic
descriptors-- chocolate__, white__, yellow__* -- I at least pronounce them
as adj-noun; with stress on the adj. it sounds contrastive-- "I don't like
chócolate cake" (but I do like other kinds)...

As usual, YMMV
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*and cf. "yellowcake" of recent fame, not edible.