Re: Re : Re: Re : Case, Innateness, Almost Allnoun, NGL.

grandsir <grandsir@...> wrote:
> Joe Mondello wrote:
> > My new project, Nzvauxa, is very anti-derivation.  i try not to deriv=
e
> > anything, or at least as litte as possible.  anyone else do this?
>=20
>         Moten does something like this. It uses some (not much) compoun=
ding,
> but nearly, unless if you consider that having multiple meaning for a
> single root is derivation. What it does is using the same root for
> multiple uses.=20
For Drasel=E9q, I tend to mix styles, seeking naturality. I usually do no=
t=20
use the same root for a noun and a verb, except in some rare occasions
where the meaning is very common and unambiguous (anyway the verb is
conjugated and it never looks exactly like the noun, except in 3rd person
singular present tense). Using the same root for different PoS's looks
very English to me (I like that in English, but not in Drasel=E9q).

I like to have derivations, but mainly in formal terms, since it makes
words long, and I don't want that. If a derivated word becomes common
and it looks long, speakers shorten it or find a suitable shorter synonim.
(I love to have a lot of overlapping synonims.)

Something I have begun to do is to use the same root for noun and verb
with stress shift (as in English 'a record' vs. 'to record', etc.), excep=
t
that Drasel=E9q does the opposite: stress is near the end of the word for
the noun, and near the beginning for the verb. This only occurs in some
cases (it's not productive), and it sometimes includes phonetic change.
For example:

        Ancient language root: _sagairh-_ 'bliss, happy rest'
        whence _s=E1gairhe_ (stative verb, 'to be blissfuly resting',
        and _sagairha_ (noun, 'bliss').

        Drasel=E9q: _s=E1ger(den)_ (st. v.), _sger_ (n.)
        (the <-den> in the verb is the infinitive ending).

Other examples: _dren_ 'barrier, protection', _d=E1rren(nen)_ 'to secure,
to protect, to surround with a barrier'; _flav_ 'lip', _f=E0l(van)_ 'to k=
iss'.


--Pablo Flores