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Re: no:t@r pa:D@r iNkAjlA (with audio)

From:Joe <joe@...>
Date:Sunday, September 1, 2002, 13:35
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From: "Muke Tever" <mktvr@...>
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Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:06 AM
Subject: Re: no:t@r pa:D@r iNkAjlA (with audio)


> From: "Christian Thalmann" <cinga@...> > > > > http://catharsis.netpeople.ch/langmaking/jovian_paternoster.htm > > > > > > > > As always, feedback is much welcomed. =P > > > > > > There is one thing that I sort of disagree with. The first line reads: > "Noter > > > pazer in coelo", but this is a deviation of the original text, that I
have
> > > never seen before. The sentence in Latin is: "Pater noster qui es in
coelis"
> > > (Our Father, who art in heaven). > > > Is there any particular reason for replacing the subordinate sentence
by
> just > > > two words: "in coelo"? > > > > I seem to recall it in that way from the modern German bible we used > > in religion class in school: "Unser Vater im Himmel...". The > > traditional version is "Vater unser, der du bist im Himmel...", which > > does sound archaic. > > I don't know about German, but the entire construction is very odd in
English:
> both possessive pronouns and qualifying subclauses just dont belong in
direct
> address. "Father in heaven, hallowed be your name" sounds normal enough
though,
> if you know what "hallowed" means, but without the archaic verb form it
sounds
> downright bizarre to say "Our Father who are in heaven" ! > > > I couldn't say for sure though, I haven't looked at it in ages. > > > > BTW: In coelis? Why would heaven be plural? Is that to distinguish > > heaven from the sky? > > It is plural in the Greek: ou)ranoi=s > I don't know why, but it may have become habitually plural, like L
"tenebras".
>
And in Old English -- Heofunes