Re: ?cagne, and ConLand names in translation (was: RE: RV: Old English)

Andru Smith[*] (Andrew Smith):
([*] Or _Smoeth_ if the it is the NZ pronunc that is livagified)
> Am 03/31 10:45  John Cowan yscrifef:
>
> > > Translations of these names into other natlangs and conlangs would be
> > > delightedly received by me...
> >
> > In Brithenig, they are Lleig and Yscyngr /Is'kiNgIr/, I think.
> >
> I remember having this conversation with And some years back.
Embarrassing! I have no recollection. Can you remember how many years back.
If since late 1996 I probably have a copy archived somewhere.

> But I no
> longer have in my files.  I think Brithenig distinguishes between
> Llichag, a speaker of Livagian and Lliweig', Livagia.  Yscyngr
> /Is'kiNgIr/ looks right to me.
The ordinary Classical and Vulgar Latin terms were _Livagia_ and the
derived adjective _livagicus_. _Lyacia_ would have existed in learned
speech, I believe, as a hellenizing form. _Lychagia_ is a later term,
which I suspect may have been the principal one in Byzantine Greek and
possibly in ecclesiastical Latin; St Paul is said to have written
reprovingly a (lost) epistle to the Lychagians. But the equation "Lychagia
= Livagia" is a historicolinguistic fact one has to learn, rather than
something one takes for granted; it's comparable to the way one has to
learn that the Galatians were (Anatolian) Celts.

So I would strongly expect that the ordinary Brithenig forms would be
based on _Livagia/Livagicus_. I'd also expect that Brithening would
have local forms of _Lyacia_ and _Lychagia_, but I'd expect these to
have been (re)borrowed into the language -- _Lyacia_ during the classicizing
Renaissance, and _Lychagia_ perhaps earlier, during the age of great
monastic learning.

Essentially similar remarks apply to _Yscyngr_, which would be the ordinary
name, alongside a learned form from Greek which I am currently inclined
to think would, in Latin, be of the form _Schungria_ or _Schyngria_.

--And.