Re: Talarian/Yllurian was Re: Thagojian and Wenetaic (was: Order of letters)

 --- Padraic Brown wrote:

> TO HEAR IS TO OBEY, O MASTER:
<snip interlinears>

Thanks! I would never have assume that both languages are so closely related
anyway. Especially Talarian looks very ancient. I don't know how you did it,
but it reminds of both Hittite, Sanskrit and Tocharian. I know little about
Hittite and Sanskrit; it's just the look-and-feel). The way would derive words
sometimes reminds me of Tocharian.
My own Hattic is also inspired mainly by Tocharian.

> > My alternative translation of the third line in
> > Talarian: "Is John Cowan able to bake French
> > fries?" :)
>
> :D That's worthy of my masterful and so very refined
> renditions of delicate French texts!
>
> Let's see, that would _actually_ be:
> "hawehhti/hawehhati-mat Hahanas Qawwewanatias-ca papan-ta-he?
> = is cooking-INTERROG John Cowan-of-the potatoballs-the-and?"
Oh dear! How is this pronounced? Especially the "Hananas Qawwewanatias-ca"
part...
By the way, are those hyphens part of the official spelling of the language, or
are they meant to distinguish morphemes?

> Teleranian potato balls are made from potato,
> obviously, but it's made into a dough and stuffed with
> various things and fried in fat. Around holiday time,
> _please_ ask what's in em before you tuck in!
:)))
What harmful could be inside? A cockroach? A spider? A poinonous mushroom?

> > > If you like, I'll poke around for numbers in all
> > > the IE based languages I've got.
> >
> > By all means do so! You have even more than those
> > two? And where are they on the Legratec-scale?
>
> Well, you must count Kerno and her bonny sisters as IE
> based, by dint of being Romano-British.
Naturally.

> Those I can think of off hand are [I hesitate to give
> 5s, but I'm using a weighted scale for conlangs, along
> the lines of "0 = preliminary sketch only; 5 = there
> are (maybe many) details to be worked out, but it's
> pretty complete for a conlang". I'd consider English
> to be L5G5T5C-; but still incompleat.]:
Just wondering. Are there objective criteria for assigning values? For example:
L3 = 500-1000 words, or C1 = just a map, C2 = map + historical sketch?
C5's I can think of now: Verdurian and Spocanian. In the latter case there is
really little left to add: even the bus schedule is there!

> ==Ill Bethisad==
> Kerno L4G5T4C5
> 5 or 6 various L0G1T1C4
Does this mean that Kerno has sister languages? Or do you mean that they just
play around in the same scenario?

> ==The World==
> Aryan* (PIE!) L4G4T3C2
> Talarian L3G4T3C4
> Yllurian L1G1T1C1
> Anglian L3G4T4C4 (I don't have anything on this one
> now, and it was mangled Middle English, anyway.)
> Mentolatian L0G0T0C0 (V. distantly related to Aryan.)
> Iconian (Old and New) L0G0T0C0 (Somewhat Helenic; the
> new is Celtic over a Helenic substrate.)
Just curious: "logotocos" (TM) are conlangs without words, text, concultures,
etc. So what's left? Just the concept?

> Ladhinat L0G0T1C1 (Latin with some Carthaginian and
> Other influence.)
> Lucaria L2G2T2C1 (Probably as close as to a creole as
> I've ever done.)
> Pontian L1G3T1C2 (A major Roman dialect in the East.)
> Pretorian L1G3T1C2 (A classical sort of language, one
> of literature, etc.)
> a dozen various Celtic, Italic L0G0T0C1
Yeah, I have seen a Lucarian text. Quite nice, I admit. Eager to see some
Pontian and Pretorian.

> ==Other==
> Example Language iii L5G5T1C- (100% English grammar;
> 100% Latin words)
> Dream Language L1G2T0C- (Welsh/Gaelic sort of mix)
Well, if you have numbers for all those languages, spill them!

> Now, with all the 4s and 5s in there, you'd think I
> had a room full of papers or a HDD jammed with notes
> and similar. But most of it's in my head, rather than
> on paper. Take Kerno for example; pothem mi
> yscriver-el san encherchier-els y pharolaves 'n yn
> deixtioneir. That's cos there's a lot of "virtual"
> lexicon that I _know_ without ever having had to work
> out and often without ever having seen it before.
> Does that make sense? Like "il parolafs", word; I'd
> never even thought of the Kerno word for word before,
> but inwardly knew that this is the common one.
Well, in a language that mainly derives from another, existing language there
is nothing strange about that. If you just feel your own language and you know
the mother language, you don't even need a master plan to create new words. In
fact, they are already there, they just need to be written down.
Besides, Hattic has an elaborated system for building new words on the basis of
existing (Hattic) ones. Just create a verb and a preposition, and you have got
at least five six new words. But when I say Hattic has 1,300 words, I don't
include the virtual vocabulary.

Jan

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"Originality is the art of concealing your source." - Franklin P. Jones

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