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Re: Terminology

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Monday, November 23, 1998, 8:45
At 07:27 23/11/98 +0000, you wrote:
>At 8:53 pm -0800 22/11/98, Josh Brandt-Young wrote: >>On Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:26:57 -0500 Nik Taylor <fortytwo@...> writes: >> >>>> What would the construction used in Modern Greek and Romanian to >>>replace >>>> the infinitive be called in linguistics terminology? >>>> >>>> Example: Greek "thelo na pao" (I want that I go) for "I want to go." >>> >>>Isn't that the subjunctive? >> >>In this case, yes, but not universally: the subjunctive is only used in >>this case when referring to a perfective action. The indicative is used >>in the same situation to refer to an event in process: "Thelo na piyeno" >>means "I want to be going." > >Till some time in the 1980s IIRC both 'pao' & 'piyeno' were called >"subjunctive" in these clauses by purists and, apart from the 1st person >sing., the endings of the "present indicative" & the "present subjunctive" >were spelt differently by purists. That nonsense seems have almost >entirely to have disappeared - tho I expect some purists still adhere to >it. I question very much whether the subjunctive/ indicative distinction >had any real meaning in modern Greek - but that's another story. > >>What I'm wondering is whether there's a name for this entire *type* of >>construction. > >It a 'noun clause' (or 'nominal clause'). Here it is the direct object of >'thelo'. Such clauses can also be used as subject of a sentence, e.g. >
So I didn't have the right name. Yours is more logical, and more 'linguistic-like'. 'Completive' must be a grammarian term.
>einai pio efkolo na perpateis para na treheis =3D >it is easier to walk than to run. >Walking is easier than running. > >In Greek such clauses may even be preceeded by the definite article, as >nouns are and as the infinitive often was in ancient Greek, and the clause >may then be governed by a preposition, e.g. > >einai kourasmenos ap to min koimatai ['min' =3D mu eta nu] >He is tired from not sleeping. >
Very interesting! A little bit like my Azak where noun clauses use verbs with suffixes that are the same as case endings (even the ergative when the noun clause is the subject of a transitive verb).
>Ray. > >
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