Re: OT Van Gogh (was: Yogh in the news)

René Uittenbogaard wrote:

> >     goot   [XoU)t]  - poured; gutter
> >     rood   [RoU)t]  - red
> >     groot  [XRoU)t] - big
>
>My realisation of these tends to be:
>
>[XoU)t]
>[R\oU)t]
>[R\_0oU)t]
>
>or the "flap" variants of [R\] - is there a symbol for these?
There's always the "extra-short" diacritic, whic I've seen used with both
stops and trills alike to derive taps/flaps. In hand-written notes, I use
"/R/" with a rounded upper corner (after the example of canIPA.)


>I don't know of any [v] realisations of |w|. I'd say:
>
>|w| - [w] or [v\]
>|v| - [v] or [v_0]
>|f| - [f]
There's also a continuum between [v] and [v\]. Hearing the distinction is
pretty hard for me in the first place, but I think German /v/ might be a
little softer than that of English (but still not as soft as Finnish /v\/)
... perhaps this can explain some of the confusion? Especially if Dutch [v\]
would happen to be relatively tense.

John Vertical