Re: OT Van Gogh (was: Yogh in the news)

On 1/16/06, Henrik Theiling <theiling@...> wrote:

> with the side note that many dialects have [X] for /x/ and [R] for
> /r/, so you get
>
>     [X] vs [R] vs [XR]
>
>     goot   [XoU)t]  - poured; gutter
>     rood   [RoU)t]  - red
>     groot  [XRoU)t] - big
My realisation of these tends to be:

[XoU)t]
[R\oU)t]
[R\_0oU)t]

or the "flap" variants of [R\] - is there a symbol for these?

> Very funny. :-)
And tongue-breaking for the two African men I know (one from Burundi,
one from Congo) who are learning Dutch ATM. :-/ I'm trying to tell
them to use [r] instead of [R\], but I can't pronounce [r].

> Dutch has a /v/ vs. /v_0/ vs. /f/ distinction (at least in many
> dialects.  In others, mostly Southern, it's /w/ vs. /v/ vs. /f/,
I don't know of any [v] realisations of |w|. I'd say:

|w| - [w] or [v\]
|v| - [v] or [v_0]
|f| - [f]

> http://rudhar.com/fonetics/fvw.htm
Cool!

René

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