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Re: Accusative, Dative, ?

From:Pasasgen/Mensa <noldo@...>
Date:Wednesday, May 26, 1999, 11:16
Joshua Shinavier knackade ner:

> > What's "Jurative"? When do you use it? Could you perhaps give an =
example?
> >=20 > > Daniel Andreasson >=20 > You can think of any number of natlang verbs which have a direct and =
an
> indirect object, for instance "I gave IT to THEM". Or "I went to THE =
BEACH
> with THEM".=20
Isn't "to the beach" and "with them" ordinary prepositional phrases = (PP)? I'd express them using eg. allative and comitative cases.
> Well, Arov=EBn allows up to three such patients for any given > semantic word, all of which may be used as verbs, or as nouns, etc. > "Jurative", otherwise known simply as "3rd object" is just slot number =
three
> in this system, and is not used often. Take for instance the word =
"v=EBg",
> which indicates a schematic drawing, a map or a plan: > Subject: the (physical) map > Object 1: the thing being mapped (for instance, a city) > Object 2: the focal point of the map -- what it is which the map is > meant to pick out and display (for instance, the streets =
of the
> city) > Object 3: purpose of the map
So basically, jurative is a way to make the language more exotic/cooler=20 with special verbs which take three objects, instead of using PPs? That's really neat! Though, can you use jurative with any verb and still understand the meaning of it? Thus using jurative as a universal case/PP if there is only one more NP than S, direct OBJ and indirect OBJ? Example: I gave a record to my sister in my appartment. I.SUBJ gave record.DIR my_sister.INDIR my_appartment.JUR Daniel Andreasson, who turns 22 today. Yay me! :)