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Re: japanese particles (Was: Chinese writing systems)

From:M.E.S. Vyaah <vaahvieuvyaah@...>
Date:Saturday, November 9, 2002, 8:19
> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 09:42:16AM -0500, Steg Belsky wrote: > >> I think i learned "ni" for that kind of construction... |daigaku ni >> kaerimasu| "i go back to college". > > "ni" usually carries more of an "at" implication. Of course, "to" and > "at" can have fuzzy boundaries depending on the language. > > "kaerimasu" can't take "he", though, can it? It sounds weird to me. > So maybe it *has* to take "ni" by default. I wonder if this is like in > Russian where "na" and "v" are distributed according to whether a place > can be entered... > > Amanda
Also mention that _ni_ can be used in the passive construction to mean _by_ or also in the sense of _by (means of)_ --> especially if you add _te_ to form _nite_ where it = the colloquial particle _de_. For instance, Kareshi'nchi NI* iku no wa, chali DE+ daitai 20pun sika kakaran'yo. (it only takes about 20mins BY+ bike to go TO* my boyfriend's place) NB. very colloquial Jpn, not the text-book form Nanji NI kuru'tte (itte'ta)? (AT what time did he say he'd come?) NB. very colloquial Jpn, not the text-book form Nikko Shoken no jidouteki touroku-shisutemu NITE*, sakuya hitori DE+ kabu wo katte okimashita. (I purchased stock BY+ myself last night BY (MEANS OF)* Nikko Securities' automated registration system.) OMC Puraza NI hakkousareta saiken wa ichiban anzensei no aru mono deshou. (Probably the most stable investment (lit. "thing" - in this context ok) would be a bond issued BY OMC Plaza.) Kihonteki NI* wa jyouki no yotei wa amari osusume-dekimasen. (Basically, we really cannot recommend the aforementioned schedule.) *NB. here, _ni_ is not even translated! I have no input about Russian as I do not know anything about that language. M.E.S.