Re: ¿Naro cel ei nau cepoa sia? ['naru,gil enQ,gibua'Za]

At 7:49 PM +0100 1/16/03, Christian Thalmann wrote:
>
>My intention is that glides, like other consonant clusters,
>should medialize within a phrase, e.g. |neu| /niw/ [ny] +
>|aren| /arin/ [arin] --> |neu aren| /niwarin/ [niwarin].
Ah! That's a great example, and it explains what you have in mind. I'm looking
forward to seeing more, then.

> > >I'll make that clearer.  What I meant was WORD-initial (-medial,
>> >final), with phrasal sandhi sometimes fusing two words, causing
>> >word-initial and word-final clusters to become medial.
>>
>> When you say "word-medial", do you mean between vowels, or
>> simply not at the beginning or end of the word?
>
>Between vowels, modulo glides.  It seems that I'm currently
>not counting the glides among the consonant clusters.  Maybe
>that's wrong.  Or then I should be more explicit about the
>distinction.
If you intend the fusion effects ("medialization") which apply to consonant
clusters to also apply to GC clusters, then it seems you are considering glides
to be consonants. If the voiced alternants of consonants appear between glides
and vowels as well as between vowels, I don't see that as a problem; it'll just
make your statement of the rule governing this medial voicing a bit more
complex -- but not unnaturally so.

> > No, that's not exactly what I had in mind, though the example
>> is interesting in that it clearly demonstrates phrasal
>> boundaries. What I was wondering was whether there are examples
>> of single words which have nasal-consonant clusters which
>> aren't pronounced at the same place of articulation.
>
>The table shows *all* legitimate clusters.  It doesn't include
>any nasal-consonant clusters with different POAs.
Okay. Then the generalization is that NC clusters within a phrase will share a place
of articulation.

>I'm trying to rework the phonology now, but I feel like it's
>growing above my head soon.
Don't despair! Miapimoquitch has long been over my head, but that makes it more fun,
since I feel now that I'm really *discovering* the language, rather than
creating it. As I said in an earlier post, just be clear about which
alternations you have, and describe them as simply and directly as possible.

Cheers.
--
Dirk Elzinga                                               Dirk_Elzinga@byu.edu

"It is important not to let one's aesthetics interfere with the appreciation of
fact." - Stephen Anderson

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