Re: ¿Naro cel ei nau cepoa sia? ['naru,gil enQ,gibua'Za]

--- In conlang@yahoogroups.com, Dirk Elzinga <Dirk_Elzinga@B...> wrote:

 > > The main factor of non-triviality in the native trans-
 > > cription is the use of |e o| for /i u/ and |i u| for /j w/.
 >
 > Those mappings are not the only ones that are confusing.
 > You haven't yet given a compelling reason for transcribing
 > [E] as /ai/, [Q] as /au/, [e] as /ei/, [y] as both /eu/ and
 > /ui/, and [o] as /ou/. In each case, it seems that the
 > phonetic quality represented by the X-SAMPA symbol would do
 > fine as a transcription. Are there alternations which
 > indicate that the glide is in fact present? If there are,
 > you don't discuss them --

Yes, I haven't discussed them, it seems.  In fact, I'm selling
the glides pretty short in general.

My intention is that glides, like other consonant clusters,
should medialize within a phrase, e.g. |neu| /niw/ [ny] +
|aren| /arin/ [arin] --> |neu aren| /niwarin/ [niwarin].



 > >I'll make that clearer.  What I meant was WORD-initial (-medial,
 > >final), with phrasal sandhi sometimes fusing two words, causing
 > >word-initial and word-final clusters to become medial.
 >
 > When you say "word-medial", do you mean between vowels, or
 > simply not at the beginning or end of the word?

Between vowels, modulo glides.  It seems that I'm currently
not counting the glides among the consonant clusters.  Maybe
that's wrong.  Or then I should be more explicit about the
distinction.



 > No, that's not exactly what I had in mind, though the example
 > is interesting in that it clearly demonstrates phrasal
 > boundaries. What I was wondering was whether there are examples
 > of single words which have nasal-consonant clusters which
 > aren't pronounced at the same place of articulation.

The table shows *all* legitimate clusters.  It doesn't include
any nasal-consonant clusters with different POAs.

I'm trying to rework the phonology now, but I feel like it's
growing above my head soon.



-- Christian Thalmann

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