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Re: Digest of messages 36.53-36.58 (fwd)

From:Sylvia Sotomayor <sylvia1@...>
Date:Wednesday, August 2, 2000, 21:25
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, John Cowan wrote:
> > Three rings for the elven kings under the sky > Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone > Nine for mortal men doomed to die > One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne > in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie > > One ring to rule them all, one ring to to find them > One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them > in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie > >
In Kélen: se ja wáel wíjte mo ne árón éltári sú ja kéié tá se ja ónne mo ne árón kásáti sú ne sún kíthene ma se ja áríw mo ne ámanj ma pa nárá to nónj se ja án mo lji árón shé sú ja ténar shé sú ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá la ja wáel án tó mánar téngngene la ja wáel án tó mánar póunjen la ja wáel án tó mánar ánjiken ath sú ja eshél ma áunten sú ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá ----- Complete noun phrases are in brackets. LA [NP] translates to '[NP] is' or 'there is [NP]' SE [NP] denotes a transaction in which [NP] is the thing transacted. Source and goal are not always named. PA [NP-1] [NP-2] translates to '[NP-1] has [NP-2]' Again in present generic, timeless tense se [ja wáel wíjte] mo [ne árón éltári sú ja kéié tá] SE SG ring three GOAL PL lord elves* at SG sky under *from Eldarin, of course se [ja ónne] mo [ne árón kásáti sú ne sún kíthene ma] SE SG seven GOAL PL lord dwarves* at PL room stone 3p *from Khazad se [ja áríw] mo [ne ámanj ma pa nárá to nónj] SE SG nine GOAL PL humans who PA -* doom SOURCE death *the first argument of PA is the pronoun 'ma' se [ja án] mo [lji árón shé sú ja ténar shé] SE SG one GOAL SG-unique lord dark at SG throne* dark *great chair sú [ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá] at SG land SG-unique Mordor where* LA PL shadow *this 'sú' obviously means 'where' because it is followed by 'la' la [ja wáel án] tó [mánar téngngene] LA SG ring one FOR* all controlled *'tó' is a short form of 'tó túath' 'so that' la [ja wáel án] tó [mánar póunjen] LA SG ring one FOR all found la [ja wáel án] tó [mánar ánjiken] LA SG ring one FOR all gathered together ath sú [ja eshél] [ma áunten] and* at SG darkness 3p bound *this and usually occurs as the second part of a pair, but this is poetry, so the rules have been bent. sú [ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá] at SG land SG-unique Mordor where LA PL shadow -- Sylvia Sotomayor sylvia1@ix.netcom.com http://home.netcom.com/~sylvia1/ from Caldera 2.4 Linux