Re: Digest of messages 36.53-36.58 (fwd)

It occured to me half an hour later, that the second verse ought to be so:

se téngngá to ja wáel án
ien í póun mo mánaren
se áñike to ja wáel án
ien ath áunte rú sháélen
sú ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá

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Complete noun phrases are in brackets.
SE [NP] denotes a transaction in which [NP] is the thing transacted. Source and
goal are not always named.
PA [NP-1] [NP-2] translates to '[NP-1] has [NP-2]'
IEN says that the topic phrase (the first one after any of the above) is equal to
the phrase that follows

se [téngngá] to    [ja wáel án]
SE  control  SOURCE SG ring one

ien í   [póun]   mo  [mánaren]
IEN and* finding GOAL all-of-them
*this and usually occurs as the second part of a pair, but this is poetry, so the
rules have been bent.

se [áñike]             to    [ja wáel án]
SE  gathering-together SOURCE SG ring one

ien ath [áunte   rú sháélen]
IEN and* binding to darkness*
*this and usually occurs as the second part of a pair, but this is poetry, so the
rules have been bent.
*not the usual word for darkness, but this one rhymes.

sú [ja ekién lji       mórtór sú    la ne shéwá]
at  SG land  SG-unique Mordor where LA PL shadow

On Wed, 02 Aug 2000, I wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, John Cowan wrote:
> >
> > Three rings for the elven kings under the sky
> > Seven for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone
> > Nine for mortal men doomed to die
> > One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne
> > in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
> >
> > One ring to rule them all, one ring to to find them
> > One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
> > in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie
> >
> >
> In Kélen:
>
> se ja wáel wíjte mo ne árón éltári sú ja kéié tá
> se ja ónne mo ne árón kásáti sú ne sún kíthene ma
> se ja áríw mo ne ámanj ma pa nárá to nónj
> se ja án mo lji árón shé sú ja ténar shé
> sú ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá
>
> la ja wáel án tó mánar téngngene
> la ja wáel án tó mánar póunjen
> la ja wáel án tó mánar ánjiken
> ath sú ja eshél ma áunten
> sú ja ekién lji mórtór sú la ne shéwá
>
> -----
> Complete noun phrases are in brackets.
> LA [NP] translates to '[NP] is' or 'there is [NP]'
> SE [NP] denotes a transaction in which [NP] is the thing transacted. Source and
> goal are not always named.
> PA [NP-1] [NP-2] translates to '[NP-1] has [NP-2]'
> Again in present generic, timeless tense
>
>
> se [ja wáel wíjte] mo  [ne árón éltári sú ja kéié tá]
> SE  SG ring three  GOAL PL lord elves* at SG sky  under
> *from Eldarin, of course
>
> se [ja ónne] mo  [ne árón kásáti   sú ne sún  kíthene ma]
> SE  SG seven GOAL PL lord dwarves* at PL room stone   3p
> *from Khazad
>
> se [ja áríw] mo  [ne ámanj  ma  pa    nárá to     nónj]
> SE  SG nine  GOAL PL humans who PA -* doom SOURCE death
> *the first argument of PA is the pronoun 'ma'
>
> se [ja án] mo  [lji       árón shé  sú ja ténar   shé]
> SE  SG one GOAL SG-unique lord dark at SG throne* dark
> *great chair
>
> sú [ja ekién lji       mórtór sú     la ne shéwá]
> at  SG land  SG-unique Mordor where* LA PL shadow
> *this 'sú' obviously means 'where' because it is followed by 'la'
>
>
> la [ja wáel án] tó  [mánar téngngene]
> LA  SG ring one FOR* all   controlled
> *'tó' is a short form of 'tó túath' 'so that'
>
> la [ja wáel án] tó [mánar póunjen]
> LA  SG ring one FOR all   found
>
> la [ja wáel án] tó [mánar ánjiken]
> LA  SG ring one FOR all   gathered together
>
> ath  sú [ja eshél]  [ma áunten]
> and* at  SG darkness 3p bound
> *this and usually occurs as the second part of a pair, but this is poetry, so the
> rules have been bent.
>
> sú [ja ekién lji       mórtór sú    la ne shéwá]
> at  SG land  SG-unique Mordor where LA PL shadow
>
>
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