Re: OT: French/English etymology question: "sauf"/"save"

At 17:31 6.12.2003, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>  ...snip...
> > Swedish has _utom_ ["8wtom], which suggests itself
> > to be a frozen dativus loci of an adjective derived
> > from 'out'.
>
>I thought you were of the /u\:/=[2^w:] (that's a long labialized mid-high
>front vowel) persuasion?
You mean [2_w:]?  Yes I am, but I cheat-transcribe!
I also use /8/ as the phonemic symbol in X-SAMPA/CXS.

For what its worth I arrange the Swedish vowel
phonemes in a quadrangular like so:

i   y     u

e   u     å

ä   ö     a

which may seem over-idealized from the POV of
your 'lect.  Mind you my 'lect_1 has 12 vowel
phonemes, distinguishing /8/ from /2_w/,
/a/ from /A/ and /3\/ from /2/, all 12 occurring
both long and short.  OTOH [A(:)] and [Q(:)]
seem to be in complementary distribution.
I even suspect my use of [Q] is a Gothenburgism.
OTOH (2) I don't have any qualitative difference
between short/long /i/ and /y/, but I do have
/e/ or /2/ in many cases where people from up
Central have short i/y.

Now guess why American dialects which do not
distinguish [Q] or [O] from [A] are a blessing
to my xenolect!  When not on my guard I tend to
realize English /ou/ as [o:].

/BP 8^)
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