On Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:52:36 -0500 Padraic Brown <pbrown@...>
writes:
>On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Nik Taylor wrote:
>> Steg Belsky wrote:
>> > 1. en pricipio creo' el dio alos cielos y ala tiera.
>> Interesting, so is _a_ used as a universal accusative marker in
>Ladino?
>Or perhaps is there a Yiddish/Hebrew influence? In other words, does
>either of those use an analagous structure to "a" in this instance?
>In
>any event, the construction is fascinating: the use of "a" in this
>instance evokes the image of a rather personal involvement in creation
>or
>(almost) the image of a process. To me anyway!
Hebrew does have an accusative marker. _et_ is used for...lemme see if i
can remember the exact terminology..."definite direct objects". The
Ladino _a_ is being used as a generalized Spanish "_a_ personal", the
equivalent of _et_, and also as "to". In the Hebrew text there seems to
always be an _et_ or _l-_ (to) where the Ladino translates "a".
>el dios creo los cielos: a fiat, a perfect action, a certain
>"distance"
>from the action
>el dios creo a los cielos: an action in the process, a certain
>"proximity"
>to the action (perhaps because 'a' evokes motion)
>I may not be expaining this well, but the two say very different
>things
>to me anyway. Que dicen los hispanoparlantes aqui?
I've never heard "hispanoparlantes", just "hispanohablantes"....
>> > 2. y la tiera era vana y vazia y escuridad sovre fasis de abismo y
>> > espiritu de el dio abolava sovre fasis delash [sic] aguash. [sic]
>> Is this a typo? _de el_, two words, but _delash_, one word?
>I wonder if such construction is analagous to "de El Salvador", where
>"el"
>is part of the name and resists contraction.
It could be, that sounds logical.
>Some of the vocabulary items are interesting as well: abolar for ex.
>I
>know what fits, but can't find abolar/avolar in my dictionary.
>
>Padraic.
Did you look for "abular/avular", with a U instead of the O? The text
uses a _vav_, which is being used for both vowels.
-Stephen (Steg)
"hhalomot zeh b'emet"
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