Re: Second report on Koni'

 --- Christophe skrzypszy:

> The claim that there is a tense-lax distinction doesn't come from me, but
> from Irina Rempt :)) . And I was under the impression that her speech was
> pretty much "Standard Northern" ;)) .
We have never met, unfortunately, but you are probably right. Especially if
Irina is from Haarlem.

> Hence the IPA [v_0] that I used. Indeed I agree with you, but I do think that
> this "slightly more voicing" would be a consequence of the laxness, rather
> than the main feature (just like it's quite possible that the lowering of [I]
> compared to [i] is a consequence of the laxness rather than a main feature).
Yes, you are probably right again.

> > But who am I?
>
> Jan van Steenbergen? ;))))
How did you know that?!! :)))
(don't charge me $50 for this knowledge, though ;)) )

> A quick Google showed about 112,000 hits for "Ukranian" and more than
> 2,150,000 for "Ukrainian". So I guess it's more a very common and repeated
> mistake than a true valid option. The American Heritage Dictionary and the
> OED only recognise "Ukrainian", for that matter, and another look with
> OneLook gives 16 online dictionaries with "Ukrainian", but only 9
> with "Ukranian" (and all those 9 also have "Ukrainian"). Only one online
> dictionary gave "Ukranian" specifically as a variant of "Ukrainian",
> and another one gives them different parts of speech ("Ukranian" for the
> people, "Ukrainian" for the adjective of nationality and the name of the
> language).
Well, the latter seems extremely improbable to me.
BTW, in Dutch we have the same phonemenon: "Oekraïens" vs. "Oekraïns", and
"Oekraïner" vs. "Oekraïener". I reasons of spelling and pronunciation, I prefer
"Oekraïens" and "Oekraïner".

How much time did you need to acquire all this knowledge? ;)

Jan

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"Originality is the art of concealing your source." - Franklin P. Jones

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