Re: joining concultures,was Re: Alternative histories andparalele universes

Andrew Smith wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, Carlos Thompson wrote:
>
> The First Session of the League of Constructed Nations has convened for
> 1999?  Well the delegation from the Federated Kingdoms of England,
> Scotland and Cambria has arrived.  Apologies for our late attendence, at
> the moment I'm only downloading mail once a day.
>
> Some information on the Brithenig history.  Cambria, the Brithenig
> speaking kingdom in west Britain is part of a federal union with the joint
> kingdoms of England and Scotland.  There are two monarchs, one for
> Cambria, King Gereint XIII, and one for England and Scotland; and each
> kingdom has its own parliament, no federal parliament to exist, but all
> three act together with affairs that concern the FK.
>
> There have been two Great Wars in the 20th century, but I have no
> information on them.  Air transport is dominated by Zepillins - a
> warfleet in action is a very impressive sight.  British currency is not
> decimal.
>
> The established religion of the Federal Kingdom is Catholic with a
> Protestant minority - the British religious wars, not yet investigated,
> were a dark period.  There are two rites in the Catholic church: Roman and
> Cambriese.
>
>           (1460)  The first king of Cambria after the Fall of
> Constantinople, prior to this they had been Princes in vasselage to the
> Emperor of the Romans.
> > 1558    (1492)  Columbus arrives to Leminari (Bahamas) islands
> > 1559    (1493)  Columbus have first contact with Hangkerim traders in Yumbrenti
> > (Hispaniola).
> > 1564    (1498)  First Spaniards come to Hangkerim continental territory.
> > 1567    (1501)  Spaniards begin an offensive against Hangkerim.
> > 1570    (1504)  Hangkerim army defeated in Lemuzamingha.
> > 1616    (1550)  Colonial institutions are established in American territories
> > controlled by Spaniards.  First Spaniards begun permanent settlements in
> > Hangkerim territory.
>           (1518)  The Stuart dynasty of Scotland become Kings of England
> and Scotland.
> > 1620    (1554)  Hangkerim begin a guerrilla war and corsair attacks to Spain
> > ships.
>           (c. 1600)  Kemrese colonization begins.  The British Colonies
> in North America are: New Scotland; Canada (lower Canada); Massachusetts
> Bay (including Maine); Connecticut (sic, names provided by John Cowan);
> New Hampshire; Rhode Island; New Castreleon; The Jerseys;
> Pennsylvania/Pennsylvanien; New Sweden; Ter Mair; Virginia; Carolina; and
> Jacobia.
With the timeline I was looking for Lemuraki (Mississippi) kingdom, they where
conquered by Spaniards, basically by a internal crisis, but then reacted.  Al
territories west from Mississippi river were recovered by Lemuraki.  c 1600 AD, the
territory was on dispute but in the Atlantic coast of North America, there were no big
culture ruling (not Lemuraki or other American culture, nor Spain), this could have
help the stablishment of colonies from English, Chomros, etc.

> > 1681    (1615)  Hangkerim float is defeated in a navy battle near Gibraltar.
> > Spanish float seriously damaged.
> > 1683    (1617). England takes over Spain colonies in America.  Almost 350 000
> > Spaniards living in Hangkerim decided to stay.  Diplomacy stops guerrilla
> > attacks.
> > 1706    (1640)  After hostilities by England administration, Hangkerim people
> > restart guerrilla war and reconstruct (stole) its float.
> > 1722    (1656)  After a war against France, A big English war convoy is defeated
> > by Hangkerim and Lemuraki ships.  Hangkerim troops recover almost 80% of the
> > territory.  Most civilians are respected, but most European settlers move to the
> > cities still controlled by England
> > 1723    (1657)  London and York are bombed from Hangkerim ships.  Lemuraki
> > troops invade southern England.
If Lemuraki and Hangkerim had percived Cambria as an enemy would have probably attact
Castreleon.  Hangkerim did not invade, and Lemuraki troops just occupied the
territory, thy did not stablished long term institutions.

> > 1728    (1662)  England takes back from Lemuraki the invaded territory and
> > counter attacks.  Lemuraki repeals an attempt of invasion by England.
> > 1732    (1666)  England sign a peace treaty with France, and joint forces for
> > recovering American territories.
> > 1743    (1677)  England and French troops (50000 men and 10000 horses) take
> > shore in Hangkerim territory and begun a offensive against Hangkerim people.
> > 1762    (1696)  The English and French troops stop the offensive after having
> > recovered 60% of the territory.  Peace treaty is signed between Hangkerim
> > leaders and the British King.  Corsair attacks cease.
> > 1810    (1744)  English and Spanish coloners begun a revolt against the high
> > taxes the British Kingdom had imposed.  Coloners' leaders ally with Hangkerim
> > leaders.
> > 1813    (1747)  British troops defeated.  Hangkerim corsairs sinks British
> > float.  Hangkerim is divided in two sovereign states: the Hangkerim Kingdom and
> > New Cartagena with a government of Criollos (Spanish descendants) and Americans
> > (English descendants).
> > 1815    (1749)  Civil war begins in New Cartagena between Criollos and
> > Americans.  Hangkerim people in New
> > Cartagena ally with Hangkerim Kingdom troops and involved in the War.
> > 1816    (1750). Civil war ends.  New Cartagena becomes part of the Hangkerim
> > Kingdom.  Parliament is established.
> > 1830    (1764)  England sent troops for recovering Hangkerim.  Float is sunk in
> > the Caribbean.
> > 1831    (1765)  Peace treaty signed.  England recognizes Hangkerim as a
> > sovereign state.
>           (1774)  Tax revolt in Massachusetts Bay spreads to other North
> American colonies.
>           (1803)  All North American colonies except Canada sign the
> Solemn League and Covenant declaring the Solemn League as independant but
> recognising the monarchies as the heads of state.  It is reluctantly
> accepted by the home governments.
>           (1805)  Act of Federation between England, Scotland and Cambria.
>           (1807)  Death of the last of the Stuart kings: the reign of King
> Constantine IX and Queen Charlotte.
>           (1810)  Death of King Constantine: beginning of the second
> Plantagenet dynasty in England and Scotland.
>           (1822)  Gaelic enfranchisement in the Kemrese colony of Ireland.
>           (1850)  Chartist-led reform in Cambria.
> > 1945    (1879). After succession question, Hangkerim is split in two Kingdoms:
> > Kurimpe and Jelamha.
> > 1965    (1899)  The province of Daluram (Guajira) secedes from Jelamha and form
> > a Republic.
>
> Later Ireland became a free state and then a republic after a thousand
> years of benign neglect.  The Hangkerim invasion provides another event in
> Kemrese history I did not know about - undoubtedly being invaded by the
> Hangkerim at the same time as England, and their capital Castreleon
> (Cairleon) would have been bombed.  If the Chomro were part of this
> timeline they would have come to Hangkerim as missionaries, traders and
> agents of the crown.
>
> Does it fit in?
For me it fits... it seams it doesn't for John Cohan.  I've been working on how a map
would show borders today and there are a great state east of Mississippi of European
descendents, and Lemuraki and other American countries at the West, of the Mississippi
and Ohio rivers, and Quebec and territories that belong to Denmark-Norway and Russia
at the North... probably it would be very incompatible with the universe Chomros live
in.

But after Hangkerim itself is concentrated in the Northern Andes and the Caribean, I
could just let others to take detais of what could have happend in North America.

> - andrew.
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Carlos Eugenio Thompson Pinzon