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Re: Telona on the web at last

From:Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Date:Tuesday, April 22, 2003, 11:41
En réponse à Jean-François Colson :


>The [@] is deleted then [Z@tOfr] becomes [ZtOfr].
Rather [R] than [r], unless you speak with alveolar trills ;))) .
>Because of the following [t] the [Z] assimilates to a [S] ==> [StOfr].
Yep :) .
>But what I avoid (therefore I didn't think to it) is the deletion of the >final "r". >More I very rarely spend time in cafés...
Me too ;)) . I personally never delete the final [R].
>In fact the deletion (which I avoid) of the final consonant in words ending >in a consonant cluster is quite common in Belgium and it is combined with >another phenomenon: the unvoicing of the final consonant. Then "table" >[tabl] becomes an homonym of "tape" [tap]!!!
Hehe, never really heard that but it doesn't surprise me :)) . The tendency for unvoicing final stops is there already in Standard French (where for instance the liaison consonant of a word like "grand", i.e. the final stop that appears in speech only when the next word begins with a vowel, is a [t] rather than a [d]), and deleting final liquids after a stop fits with the Sonority Sequencing Principle (a universal, thus only a tendency like every universal in linguistics ;)) ) which states that the maximum of sonority must be the syllable peak and that sonority must decrease around it, with stops being less sonorant than fricatives, themselves less sonorants than liquids and approximants. So for instance a coda like [bl] is breaking this principle, with sonority increasing rather than decreasing. Standard French doesn't mind, but fast spoken French and obviously Belgian French seem to put more importance in this principle and thus delete the final liquid to erase the break :)) . Christophe Grandsire. http://rainbow.conlang.free.fr You need a straight mind to invent a twisted conlang.

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Tristan McLeay <kesuari@...>
Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>
Jean-François Colson <bn130627@...>
Christophe Grandsire <christophe.grandsire@...>