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Re: Fruitcakes was Re: Kentum/satem

From:John Cowan <jcowan@...>
Date:Friday, May 3, 2002, 14:58
=?iso-8859-1?q?Jan=20van=20Steenbergen?= scripsit:

> But pronouncing |z| like [s], that's a typical city thing (Amsterdam, Rotterdam, > The Hague).
BTW, is it true that natives of Amsterdam pronounce the "a"s in the city's name as [Q]? That is what I interpreted my Dutch friend (non-linguist type) to be saying. In the U.S. the usual pronunciation of "Chicago" has [A], but that pron. is stigmatized in and around Chicago itself, where [O] ~ [Q] is the prestige form. Similarly, "Louisiana" is /luizi&n@/ ~ /lwizi&n@/ to most Americans, but anglophone natives say /luzi&n@/. (Apologies to francophones.) Then there is the fact, abhorrent to all Illinoians, that some people outside the state say it with [-z]! -- John Cowan <jcowan@...> http://www.reutershealth.com I amar prestar aen, han mathon ne nen, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan han mathon ne chae, a han noston ne 'wilith. --Galadriel, _LOTR:FOTR_

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