> Van: Constructed Languages List
> Onderwerp: Re: Fruitcakes was Re: Kentum/satem
>
> En réponse à Maarten van Beek <dungeonmaster@...>:
>
> Well, even Northerners tend to have [z] between vowels. Or so I
> hear it. And [G] is a hundred times softer than [x] for my throat :)).
Ever been to Amsterdam or Rotterdam? The most outspoken speakers have no [z]
at all, just [s].
> And you pronounce /eu/ as
> > a [2y] diphtong?
>
> Maybe more [2H] (with the rounded version of [j]), but the whole
> diphtongue is definitely rounded.
O yes, it is certainly rounded. And I think [2H] hits the spot better than
my chocie of [2j]
> > My relatives from Belgium pronounce it something like
> > ['G2jz@,nam], but then again, we can hardly call them still Geuzen.
>
> I think it's probably the same pronunciation. Is the off-glide really
> unrounded?
Well, I believe it tends more to [j] than to [y]... but I think [H] is even
a better option (after I looked up what [H] was).
> If it's rounded, then it's [2H], which is basically
> what I meant (in fast speech, the difference between [2H] and [2y] is too
small to
> be heard by me anyway, so it could be any of the two without me knowing
which
> one :)) ).
>
> I admit I don't understand the last remark. Please explain!
Well, the "geuzen" where those Dutch who opposed the Spanish rule a few
centuries ago. The current Netherlands fought themselves free from the
Spanish, while present-day Belgium did not, so they are not proper "geuzen".
See also my other post in this thread about the origin of the woord
"geuzen".
Maarten