Re: Miapimoquitch cat's cradle

At 10:01 PM +0100 04/13/02, And Rosta wrote:
>Philip Newton:
>>  On 13 Apr 02, at 2:12, And Rosta wrote:
>>
>>  > Dirk:
>>  > > pate lukempi  ["paD1 "luG1m%bi:]
>>  > > wapate lukkempi atipukan  ["waBaD1 "lukkem%bi: a"tSiBu%ka:~]
>>  >
>>  > What does % mean here? My best guess is devoicing, but that
>>  > seems a little surprising in the Vm%b cases.
>>
>>  According to http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/home.htm , % is
>>  secondary stress (IPA: low vertical stroke) in SAMPA. And
>>  http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/sampa/x-sampa.htm confirms that it has
>>  the same function in X-SAMPA, the "native" encoding of the IPA (as far
>>  as I can tell) of this group.
>
>Oh, I see. I have resolutely refused to learn (X-)SAMPA and am sorry to
>see that Dirk is no longer a fellow refusenik.
Huh. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I recall discussion here
several months ago in which the consensus seemed to be "use X-SAMPA;
at least it's a standard, even if it isn't perfect". I thought that
that made sense, so I thought I'd try to use it -- at least for
examples that I'd actually like people to pronounce. I do try to
distinguish between phonological and phonetic levels and confine my
use of X-SAMPA to the phonetics. I'm not willing to use it for
phonological representations; I prefer my own system there.

I certainly don't intend to start another thread on ASCII IPA; those
discussions rank right down there with "In my dialect we say X".

Next time I'll post in the Deseret Alphabet.

(Of course, I ought to be posting in the Deseret Alphabet anyway,
since that is the source orthography for all of my Miapimoquitch
data. I guess I'd better go and work it out now.)

Dirk
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Dirk Elzinga                                       Dirk_Elzinga@byu.edu

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