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Re: Banin again

From:Luís Henrique <luisb@...>
Date:Thursday, January 11, 2001, 15:04
Em resposta a Christophe:

>> a a in viendra stressed >> u in but un stressed, before n or m
>Well, in French <un> is a single nasal vowel /9~/, so it >doesn't correspond to English u in but. What kind of sound are >you trying to describe?
The French one. English does not have nasal voewels. The u in but is the nearest I could find; perhaps it would be better described as "like u in 'but', but nazalised"? Or is this nonsense?
>> n n in un postvocalic
>n in <un> is not pronounced at all but the whole digraph <un> >is used for the nasal vowel /9~/. Do you mean by this >description that a postvocalic n always nasalises the previous >vowel (as in European Portuguese IIRC)?
Exactly.
>> p and b sound as pf and bv before u in some places.
>Nice allophones!
Thank you!
>> c and g sound as French /cr/ and /gr/ before a in some places.
>Those ones are quite strange. Is there a reason why in some >dialects c
and g sound like /cr/ and /gr/? I think yes, being c and g "back" (velar) stops and a a "back" vowel, the stops become affricated. But perhaps "French /cr/" is not a good description. The thing hears someting like /k/, followed by German /ch/, followed by /a/. Is this more understandable?
>>must be some kind of sinchronicity, :-)
> :) Indeed, I believe you :) . It's a little like the >synchonicity that
makes Narbonósc orthography look between
>French and Portuguese :) .
Well, nobody said that a co-incidence should be composed by completely independent incidences. :-) Luís Henrique PS: And, of course, gu sounds like g in goat/Gaulois before e/i, not before a/o/u. Sorry. ___________________________________________________________ http://www.zipmail.com.br O e-mail que vai aonde você está.