Re: OT: LWII: The Euroclones Strike Back!

yscreus il "Jan van Steenbergen:

> > On the other hand, Eo is the theme to which
> all
> > the others are but variations! ;) It
> therefore
> > can't be a clone of itself.
>
> Hey, are we talking about Euroclones or about
> Esperantoclones here?
Euroclones!

> I would
> rather state the opposite: the most typical of
> all euroclones is
> Esperanto,
Of course. It was the original from which Ia,
Edo, etc. were copied (emmended, corrected,
improved, etc.)!

> > > > BTW, why don't you add Kerno to the
> > > > collection of Langmaker.com?
> >
> > No website for it, which is a requirement.
>
> What do you mean, no website?! isn't the
> problem with Kerno is rather that
> there are too many websites?
Could be. It's all pretty ad hoc. Just to satisfy
those curious sadists that wanted to see
something on the new grammar.

> Two for vocab,
That's probably not a bad idea, though. There is
enough there to justify it, I think.

> one for grammar, one or
> more for
> texts... You might link to the IB home page.
At some point, a general Kerno language page will
be written up, from which all these other pages
will be linked. It will replace the several links
that currently exist on the IB main page.

> Alternatively, what many people do is adding a
> Babel text,
I thought there was a bable text in the texts
page?

> and linking their
> model language description to that page.
Oh, you mean from langmaker?

> BTW, in what year did you start Kerno?
Officially, 1997 or so.

> Was it inspired by Brithenig,
> or vice versa?
I very much douby Kerno has provided much
inspiration for B! Perhaps the occasional
vocabulary word, nothing else, though. Not a
little of what is now Kerno started life as
various dead-end Romano-Celtic languages of mine,
perhaps going back 15 years.

> In how far did the two develop independently?
Conhistorically? Or in real life? In real life,
almost enrirely independently. Kerno started out
long after B was full fledged. Conhistorically, I
paid enough attention to B historical trends to
make K fit in with the overall scheme of three
great families of Romano-British dialect families
in early IB Britain.

The three families are Eastern (extinct, early
dialects centered at London and other population
centers in the pre-Saxon east); Western (Kerno
and its sisters); Northern (the
Brithenig-Cumbrian-Votadinian continuum).
Breathanach fits into the Northern family, but
seems to be divergent enough that there may well
be a fourth family in the north. Of them all, it
seems B and K are the strongest survivals;
Cumbrian is much reduced; Votadinian is long
dead.

> Incidentally, are you aware of "Yer Ugly Mug"?
?

> If not, then I'd say you take a
> look at
> <http://www.kemenel.org/conlang/yum/index.php>
> . Any VIP in
> Conlang land should be there, and there is
> still an awful white hole on the place where
> your profile is meant to be...
An awful hole to be filled by an awfuller
picture, eh?

> > No no NOOOO! That's "le Kernanto"!!!!! Only
> the
> > hated and heretical Kernonantistas don't have
> > the article there! You know, they left the
> > Communitats in a huff cos of their claims
> that
> > the rules governing article use were too
> > nebulous. Typical! They just couldn't get
> > behind the project and make it work!
>
> Hmm. Wouldn't at least a small faction have
> left the movement because
> of a
> conflict about the idea of abolishing at least
> one past tense and
> simplifying
> the ending -ck into -cq, thus giving birth to
> "le/la/ill/- Kernantido"?
Don't even _mention_ those linguapunks! We saw
that they were capital T trouble right from the
start! Why, the very Fundaments of Kernanto bans
these wannabes from IALland forever!!!!!!


> > Sure. But then you need a name for Arvorec,
> > Seimi and Manoueg. They would be eurolangs as
> > well; but not Romlangs!
>
> True, but I doubt about the necessity of
> coining such a term.
Oh, I have no illusions of the necessity of such
terms! But conlangers seem hellbent on making
them up; I figured I'd get me tuppence in the
hat!

> Most of this stuff is merely thinking aloud!
Understood!


> BTW, what do the letters in the subject header
> "LWII" mean? Linguistic War II?
Yep.

Padraic.


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