Re: OT: LWII: The Euroclones Strike Back!

Jan van Steenbergen scrievit:

>  --- Konstancin Kronomór skrzypszy:
:)

> Ha, that would be me! Mwahahahahaaaa!
> And you are being sadistic in return, eh? Did
> you notice how small the letters
> on the grammar page are?!
Small? They look fine to me! Perhaps you need to
use an actual computer, and not that little
telephone thingy to read webpages!


> > Conhistorically? Or in real life? In real
> > life,
> > almost enrirely independently. Kerno started
> > out
> > long after B was full fledged.
>
> Really? According to Langmaker Brithenig was
> started in 1996. Perhaps I misunderstood
> something.
I think he started it some time before. I could
be wrong! Anyway, regardless of the actual time,
Kerno came along later.

> > The three families are Eastern (extinct,
> > early
> > dialects centered at London and other
> > population
> > centers in the pre-Saxon east); Western
> > (Kerno
> > and its sisters); Northern (the
> > Brithenig-Cumbrian-Votadinian continuum).
> > Breathanach fits into the Northern family,
> > but
> > seems to be divergent enough that there may
> > well be a fourth family in the north.
>
> I would say so! Isn't Breathanach the
> Q-Celtoromance answer to P-Celtoromance
> Brithenig?
Yes. I don't know enough about Breathanach or its
history to make any definitive statements. It's
most likely one of these two: Br is the result of
a very strong Q-Celtic immigration into a still
P-Celtic speaking land, where the fusion could
take place; Br is the result of a very strong
Q-Celtic immigration into a Romance speaking
land; ... result of a strong Q-Celtic immigration
into a P-Celtic-fused-with-Romance speaking land.
I favour the last option, especially given the
time frame of Welsh speaking kingdoms in
Britain's north *here* and the Goidelic invasions
that gave rise to moden Scotland.

Before the English made such inroads into the
North, all the land from the Severn on up to
Forth was, basically, proto-Brithenig speaking
(what I'd call Northern British Romance). As the
bloody Saxon punched westward and northward, the
northern realms failed and over time came to
speak English. Clearly, the Romance speakers in
Strathclyde fared better, and the Gaelic invaders
took on the language of their settled neighbours.
Cumbria, being close to Kemr though sundered by
the Ffens, has retained some of its ancient
language.

> > Of them all, it seems B and K are the
> > strongest survivals;
> > Cumbrian is much reduced; Votadinian is long
> > dead.
>
> Hmm. Anything of these languages on paper?
Not really. The three were _very_ close. Very
mutually intelligible. I think the differences
were mostly of pronunciation.

Just look at Brithenig proper and Paesan. Almost
100% identical between two texts. There are a few
lexical variants, one or two minor grammatical
differences. That's about it.

> > Don't even _mention_ those linguapunks! We
> saw
> > that they were capital T trouble right from
> the
> > start! Why, the very Fundaments of Kernanto
> bans
> > these wannabes from IALland forever!!!!!!
>
> You shouldn't worry too much about them. A
> bunch of these freaks have
> been
> signalled lately in the RTC, trying to proclaim
> a new IAL To End All
> IALs,
> Venedino! Easier to learn, they figured. No
> articles. Ha! They can't
> even get
> the pronunciation right!
Hah! You know you've got them beat when they flit
from the One And Only IAL to some other language!


> You are right. Well, I'll sleep happily knowing
> that my two Eurocents were the "Esperantoids".
Quite! Good coinage, too, "esperantoid". I didn't
know you were supposed to capitalise "eurocents"?
I also thought that the plural was officially set
at "eurocent".

Padraic.


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y cestes d' ils yspoil morès y ddew chaumèz e-z-el tons l' organón.




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