Re: 'noun' and 'adjective' (fuit: To What Extent is Standard Finnish a Conlang?)

On 3/3/06, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@...> wrote:
> Being tone deaf I might well have gotten the details of the
> stress wrong, but you have to agree that _apple pie_ has the
> same stress pattern as the "juice made of oranges"
> version of _orange juice_, whichever the actual realization
> is, don't you (and Ray)?
No, just the opposite (for me; can't speak for Ray).  Your
recollection of the "orange juice" distinctions was correct:
'orange,juice is the juice of the orange fruit, while 'orange'juice is
any orange-colored juice.  The stress pattern of "apple pie" patterns
with the *latter*, not the former.  It's 'apple'pie, not 'apple,pie.
So phonlogically, at least, "apple-flavored pie" would seem to be the
same sort of thing as "orange-colored juice", and not the same sort of
thing as "the juice of the orange fruit".
--
Mark J. Reed <markjreed@...>