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Re: CHAT: Brainstorming! Relative clauses

From:Christophe Grandsire <grandsir@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 5, 1999, 7:30
taliesin the storyteller wrote:
> > I'm currently struggling with understanding the rel. cl. of my lang > correctly, and thought I'd look at how it works in other langs. > Unfortunately, it seems that relative clauses is part of the grammar > that is 'not yet online' :) Does it change too often? >
Not in my case :) . I explain how to make relative clauses in all my grammars that are online.
> Anyways, how -do- you do relative clauses in your conlangs? Here's > something for y'all to translate... (substitute words when necessary...) >
I'm going to use the grammar skeletons of some of my conlangs instead of the words themselves, because I have currently no access to my lexicon files and notes.
> rel. subject: > "The dog that saw the cat was large." >
Azak-like: large-aorist dog-abs. see-REL. cat-the-abs. Reman-like: the dog the that saw the cat large Moten-like: cat-the-acc. see be-past-REL. dog-the-nom. large be-past Chasma"o"cho-like: large dog-const. see-cat-the RES. END
> rel. object: > "The dog saw the cat that killed the mouse." >
Azak-like: see-aorist dog-the-erg. cat-abs. kill-REL. mouse-the-abs. Reman-like: the dog saw the cat the that killed the mouse Moten-like: inst.-dog-the mouse-the-acc. kill be-past-REL. cat-the-acc. see be-past Chasma"o"cho-like: see dog-the cat-const. kill-mouse-the RES. END
> nested: > "The dog that saw the cat that killed the mouse that was large drank > from the river that John put the poison in." >
Azak-like: drink-aorist dog-erg. see-REL. cat-abs. kill-REL. mouse-abs. large-REL. river-from put-REL. John-erg. poison-the-abs. it-ill. Reman-like: the dog the that saw the cat the that killed the mouse large drank from the river in the that John put the poison Moten-like: large be-past-REL. mouse-the-acc. kill be-past-REL. cat-the-acc. see be-past-REL. dog-the-nom. John-nom. poison-the-acc. place-inside-acc. put be-past-REL. place-river-the-gen. Chasma"o"cho-like: drink dog-const. see RES. cat-const. kill RES. mouse large END END from-it river-const. put-poison-the John in-RES. END
> rel. indirect object: > "The dog that John gave the ball to." >
Azak-like: dog give-aorist-REL. John-erg. ball-the-abs. Reman-like: the dog to the that John gave the ball Moten-like: John-nom. ball-the-acc. give be-past-REL. dog-the Chasma"o"cho-like: dog-const. give-ball-the John to-RES. END
> rel. oblique: > "The mouse that the cat chewed on." or, > "The cat that the dog was bigger than." >
Azak-like: cat big-aorist-REL. more dog-the-abs. Reman-like: the cat than the that the dog bigger Moten-like: dog-the-nom. bigger be-past-REL. cat-the Chasma"o"cho-like: cat-const. bigger dog-the be-RES. END
> rel. posessor: > "The dog saw the cat whose teeth were huge." >
Azak-like: see-aorist dog-the-erg. cat huge-REL. teeth-abs. Reman-like: the dog saw the cat of the that the teeth huge Moten-like: inst.-dog-the teeth-the-nom. huge be-past-REL. cat-the-acc. see be-past Chasma"o"cho-like: see dog-the cat-const. huge teeth-const. RES. END Wow! I hope you'll understand something about it. As you see, I use many different ways of making relative clauses. Just choose :) .
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