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Re: Senyecan honorifics

From:Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>
Date:Saturday, October 16, 2004, 20:37
Charlie "caeruleancentaur" wrote:

> Has anyone discovered in his or her conlang the use of honorifics or > of titles of honor/respect? > > I've discovered 3 so far in Senyecan. > > 1) aasnárjun - title of respect used to address someone higher in > rank than the speaker. áásnin = noble; árjun = lord. > > 2) àisnáman (àisápan) - title of respect used to address > someone > older than the speaker. aísa = to revere; aísnin = revered, > reverend. (shades of "Dune"?)
Is áásnin related to aisa/aísnin?
> > 3)cuudáman (cuudápan) - title of respect used to address an > older > person irrespective of any age difference. cúúda = to esteem, > regard, respect, approve, admire; cúúdin = respected, admired, > esteemed, etc.. >
First off, I'm struck by some resemblances: árjun : Kash karun (rank equiv. to a duke) cúúda : Kash çura 'to honor, respect' I just resurrected one of my old WP files dealing (incompletely) with the Kash nobility and social structure; too long to post now, and still needs work. However, in the area of honorifics we have: Naming children of the hereditary nobility: First child: mesa Second child: rona Third child: sina 4th and later children: prana Mesa is simply the number 'one'; rona and sina are < ro '2' and sila '3' + ana 'child'; these were formed before I'd clearly thought out the Noun+adj. rule....if I were doing them now, they'd probably be "andro" and "anasit", but it's too late to change, and I like them the way they are. Prana is simply the honorific pfx. par- ~pra- + ana. There are rules of precedence; basically the mesa of a king/queen outranks all other children; their rona outranks all other rona's and below, etc. In rank below the king/queen is the karun: his/her mesa outranks all children below; rona outranks all lower rona's and below etc. However, the rona-of-karun outranks sina/prana-of-king if they are younger. And so on down the line. Anciently, mesa/rona/sina applied only to males; daughters were all prana; though some families/nations allowed female inheritance and that practice became universal in the century or so preceding the Destruction, when the Gwr had abandoned their attempts at colonialism. If a mesa/rona/sina should die, the children below move up a notch in rank, but I'm not quite sure how the nomenclature changes.... Technically, the mesa inherits everything upon the father's death-- title and estates, though the estates are often held in a perpetual trust which usually provides small stipends to brothers and sisters. Generally, a mesa will marry some rona/sina/prana from another family (or nowadays, quite likely a commoner). Marriage of two mesas is possible, but one or the other must give up right of succession. Inheritable noble titles and estates are no longer created; there are a couple titles still handed out as honors or for distinguished service, etc. but they're for the holder's lifetime only; children may use one or two special terms, but not "mesa/rona/sina/prana". Someday I'll get this all arranged and codified, and post it to the website.


Roger Mills <rfmilly@...>Kash naming (was Re: Senyecan honorifics)