NATLANG ruki-rule in Slavic, Scandinavian languages, Danish
|From:||BP Jonsson <bpj@...>|
|Date:||Tuesday, August 19, 2003, 8:44|
At 19:07 18.8.2003 +0400, Pavel Iosad wrote:
>As for Danish, reading it is not an insurmountable task ,
No. There are a few real bad false friends tho, like
rolig, værelse, væske, taske.
>even with my
>quite limited Swedish. Listening to it, OTOH, is a nightmare.
Not a nightmareto me, but hard, tho mostly I agree with Andreas:
it depends vastly on who's speaking! I heard a lot of both Danish
and Norwegian as a small child, and that certainly helps, since i
had no prejudices about correctness and spelling then. However it
may be telling that while I can speak an accented Norwegian I can't
really master a Danish pronunciation.
>my experience with spoken Danish is, I can't understand a word, even if
>it's sloooow and simple (unlike Norwegian).
It helps to know the correspondance rules between Swedish and Danish
orthography and between Danish orthography and pronunciation.
I have a paper treating the subject somewhere, and have been thinking
of making a webpage on the subject.
>Do the Swedes have much
>difficulty understaning the Danes?
Yes. I'm atypical in having less difficulty than most.
At 23:15 18.8.2003 +0400, Pavel Iosad wrote:
>True. In my idiot-lect, obviously formed by texbooks, tapes, and
>teachers, it's [x\]. I might try [x] when term starts, let's see what
Very likely nothing, especially if you have [R] for /r/,
since all [R] dialects are also [x] dialects. You might
as well point out the fact to the teacher! >;-)
BTW do you have problems distinguishing [x] and [h]?
At 17:45 18.8.2003 +0200, Andreas Johansson wrote:
>The most easily understandable Danish I've ever heard was from an Icelandic
>minister at a meeting of the Nordic Council; he didn't have the lax
>pronunciation of just about everything common among native Danes.
But Danish as spoken by Icelanders is a separate language called Isdansk! ;)
In fact they use it as an inter-Scandinavian IAL and most Icelanders
do consciously **not** strive for a good Danish pronunciation.
At 12:58 18.8.2003 -0400, Isidora Zamora wrote:
>Does anyone have any idea how the definitite and indefinite articles in
>Scandinavian languages arose? I have been wondering about this since my
>first week in Denmark. The indefinite article is transparent. It's simply
>the word for "one" with gender marking placed in front of the
>noun. Spanish and French do the same thing.
>But how do you get a definite
>article by taking that selfsame particle and postfixing it to the
You don't. The indefinite article is cognate with English _yon/yonder_
and German _jener_. Icelandic and Norwegian still have it as an
independent pronoun _hin(n)/hitt_, meaning "the other one".
>(Do native speakers ever even wonder about things like that, or do
>they just accept them?)
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