--- John Cowan <jcowan@...> wrote: >
=?iso-8859-1?q?bnathyuw?= scripsit:
>
> > well, in london, as in much of the non-west
> country
> > uk, [sAIdV] is what teenagers drink before they
> > graduate onto beer.
>
> Good to know that.
>
> Is it really [AI] and not [aI]? Even [aI], who have
> no
> other [a], use [aI] and not [AI].
>
definitely, sometimes even tending to [VI] or even
[QI]. likewise /aU/ is [&U]. i'd never understood why
dictionaries always give an /a/ when to my ears the
initial vowels are _very_ distinct. i can see it could
be down to phonemes, but why introduce an /a/ as part
of a phoneme when it doesn't exist elsewhere and /&/
and /A/ do ?
your answer of course gives part of the explanation ;
as does the fact that trad rp seems to have [a]. but
even my parents are slightly esturised now
> > but there is of course still west country
> [zOId@r\] (
> > was this what you were referring to john ?
>
> Yes. Leaving off the r was a mere oversight, but I
> hear
> that diphthong as [UI] not [OI] -- though [OI] would
> be
> the nearest standard equivalent. (Semantically, of
> course,
> I'm-a-Yank-what-do-I-know.)
>
quite possibly. the number of true country-bumpkin
(?!) west country accents i've heard is very few ; but
the usual faux-phonetic spelling is 'zoider', and
that's how it's usually mimicked ( even by pepole
originally from that area )
> > accent as heavily rhotic ). but i'm afraid i'm
> going
> > to be a traitor to my country and prefer /sidR/ to
> > scrumpy
>
> Well, hey, I was only proposing it as an alternative
> to apple
> starvation in Dutchistan. (Sounds like a headline.)
>
hehe
> Don't they drink the stuff in East Anglia, too? New
> England, home of the
> American tradition, was settled mostly from there.
>
possibly . . . the accent's not too dissimilar either
. . . !
but e anglia's better known for its beer
> I should also mention that I consider the
> cold-pressed product, unclarified,
> straight from the apple, with no fermentation or
> "sophistication"
> whatsoever, to be a remarkably fine thing. Its
> shelf life is short --
> sometimes I have to dump it immediately after
> buying, and 3 days is
> about the limit before it commences to taste like
> the smell of cheap
> perfume, if you understand me. But unlike almost
> all other juices save
> lemon/lime, it freezes remarkably well. There is
> nothing like last fall's
> [saIdr\=] thawed out in the springtime and drunk
> directly off its own ice.
>
so you call what we refer to as 'english apple juice'
cider ? bizarre !
bn
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bnathyuw | landan | arR
stamp the sunshine out | angelfish
your tears came like anaesthesia | phèdre
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