Re: "Proposed IPA" characters not in Unicode

Paul Bennett skrev:
 > ----- Original Message ----- From: Benct Philip Jonsson
 > <conlang@...>
 >
 >> Here be Unicode!
 >
 > FWIW, my webmail client renders all non-Latin-1 characters
 > as "?", which is so braindamaged that it hurts -- then
 > again, see also the myriad other ways it's equally broken
 > (for example, the double- wrapping of line ends).

The webmail thingy my ISP provides does funny things too,
like sending stuff as HTML when you've specified plain text.
My odium epistularum per telam (I got no odium epistularum
per rete, obviously! :-) is IMHO rather wellfounded. I even
use gmail through their POP forwarding mechanism!

 > (I typoed labiodental flap, btw)

I'm perfectly capable of making one, however! :-)

 > It does not, but they're in Code2000, and possibly others,
 > in their Unicode places. Code2000 is a bit ugly, but it's
 > better than some.

DejaVu Sans, notably. I hope somebody with better
typographic skills would but them into DejaVu Serif...

 >> (My idea for how to represent these in CXS is d\ l\ n\ t\
 >> analogous to s\ z\, but unfortunately l\ is already in
 >> use for ? the alveolar lateral flap.
 >
 > Not in CXS, as far as I can see. Taking this into account,
 > I'm temped to suggest /4_l/ and /4`_l/ for the alveolar
 > and retroflex versions (since I hate /r`/ instinctively).

Yes it is. See <http://www.theiling.de/ipa/#overview-other>.

Henrik's converter is very handy for checking if / what
something is in CXS.

Since the alveolar lateral flap *is* l\ then the rertroflex
version should be l\`, or with my reassignments alveolar
lateral flap is 4\ and the retroflex is 4\`.

 >
 >> My preferred solution would be to reassign l\ to the
 >> alveopalatal lateral and use the hitherto unused 4\ for
 >> the lateral flap -- too bad L\ is taken too! :-/)
 >
 > Yeah. CXS is organic, which is a huge strength, but it
 > makes it hard to systematize it.
 >
 > It is worth posting an RFC for the formation of a CXS2.0
 > committee or something?

I'm afraid (or relieved) that that's not how CXS works. I'm
little by little resigning to the fact that I'm erratically
developing an BXS (Benct's XS).


 >>> Should I just ignore them unless and until I need to
 >>> use them?
 >> You mean if you should create a font for them?
 >
 > That's an option, for sure. The Freemono/Freesans/etc
 > family is GPL or FDL or something, right? Do I recall the
 > new-incarnation SIL family being Open Source, too?

I strongly recommend DejaVu. And FontForge of course!

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/BP 8^)
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