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Re: Betreft: Re: Initial clusters, was: Re: Russian orthography

From:Rob Nierse <rnierse@...>
Date:Wednesday, February 2, 2000, 12:37
>>> Christophe Grandsire <Christophe.Grandsire@...> 02/02 12:03 >>> >>Sechelt (Salishan): >>q_0ls-stx_0_c^x_0 'you make him cook diner' (-stx_0 =causative)
> What's q_0 and x_0? Aren't they already voiceless? And is there no vowel >in those words?
labialised uvular stop and labialised velar fricative, both voiceless indeed. And you've read about the [@].
>>Heiltsuk >>sl-q' 'kind of fish' ('stokvis' in Dutch, I don't know the Engilsh
equivalent)
> l- = barred l
> The l- is pronounced syllabic I hope :) .
I don't know, I suspect so, but I can pronounce it without syllabic l-.
>>Bella Coola >>qqs 'eye'
> How do you pronounce that? Do you put schwa's somewhere?
Twice a voiceless uvular stop, end with a [s]. No schwa's in between. Stories say that linguists putted informants far away from each other and asked then to shout these kind of words. They couldn't, obviously, because, because there are no vowels nor voiced/nasal consonants.
>>Quiotepec Chinantec: >>m?1 'ant' >>m:23 'sandal' >>hm?3 'tomato' >>?m:3m?4 'you (pl) pinch' >>m:42m?m24 'we (excl) pinch'
> Indeed. When I tried them, I got the impression of singing with my mouth > closed. How can people understand a bit of it? :)
The way you understand French, I think :). Just learn it as a kid. [I p.e. have great troubles understanding French (as I foiund out last summer in Lyon).] Rob