Christophe Grandsire ikrih:
> En réponse à Isaac Penzev <isaacp@...>:
>
> >
> > I didn't mean aspiration. I meant triade. For my ear Dutch /f/ is [f],
> > /w/
> > is [v] and /v/ is [f] plus something I'm unable to catch. What are they
> > in
> > reality in Modern Standard Dutch?
> >
>
> Depends on which Standard Dutch you mean ;))
Hmm. I thought any civilized language would have akinda ;))
> In the South, usually /f/ is [f], /v/ is [v] and /w/ is [v\] or [w] or [v]
> depending on position. More in the North, at least according to Irina Rempt
and
> my own ears tend to agree, /f/ is [f], /w/ is [v] and /v/ is lax [f] (I don't
> know how IPA would mark that, [v_0] perhaps), so the difference between /f/
> and /v/ would be a tense-lax distinction. Do you think it would fit what your
> ears tell you? :)
It would. So it's North. I hear it the way you say. A propos, can you then
explain me this tense-lax distinction? I'm especially interested because it may
help me to describe better the Ukrainian phoneme /v/ whose main allophone is
definitely different from Russian [v] (which is the same as in French, I
believe), but surely not [w] which occurs only before consonants and in
auslaut.
mni salutu,
Yitzik