Re: Fronted back vowels.

Barry Garcia wrote:
>I also want to render a way to show the
"Californian" accent, that I'd posted about a week ago. So, here's my
dilemma. I'm not exactly sure what the IPA for _fronted_ /o/ and /u/ are. I
could easily just write down in my notes under the glyphs "fronted", but the
chart I'm using, I want to use the right IPA symbols when I post them. On
the ZBB board, people there said that the values for fronted /o/ and /u/ are
"barred O" (and gave /2/ for the ASCII IPA) and "barred u" (Giving /}/.
Looking at Don Blahedo's chart, /2/ is "slashed o" not "barred o".
 So, what exactly *are* the IPA values for fronted /o/ and /u/? Are there
extremes? What do these vowels typically change to?>
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Are you sure you mean _fronted_, and not _unrounded_? Or maybe not fully
fronted, but _centralized_?? I don't recall your "CA dialect" post, but
based on my own memory/observations of parodied Valley-girl-speak, isn't /u/
sort of a centralized/unrounded diphthong, sort of [1M]? And /o/ would
behave similarly, something like [@]+unrounded o-glide (don't know the
symbol)-- or even almost like RP [Ew]????

A fronted [u] would indeed by [y]; a fronted [o] would be either o-slash or
oe-lig. A real IPA chart should show both the rounded and unrounded symbols,
for both front and back V.