Re: Fronted back vowels.

On 4/26/05, Roger Mills <rfmilly@...> wrote: 
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> Barry Garcia wrote:
> >I also want to render a way to show the
> "Californian" accent, that I'd posted about a week ago. So, here's my
> dilemma. I'm not exactly sure what the IPA for _fronted_ /o/ and /u/ are. 
> I
> could easily just write down in my notes under the glyphs "fronted", but 
> the
> chart I'm using, I want to use the right IPA symbols when I post them. On
> the ZBB board, people there said that the values for fronted /o/ and /u/ 
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> "barred O" (and gave /2/ for the ASCII IPA) and "barred u" (Giving /}/.
> Looking at Don Blahedo's chart, /2/ is "slashed o" not "barred o".
> So, what exactly *are* the IPA values for fronted /o/ and /u/? Are there
> extremes? What do these vowels typically change to?>
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> Are you sure you mean _fronted_, and not _unrounded_? Or maybe not fully
> fronted, but _centralized_?? I don't recall your "CA dialect" post, but
> based on my own memory/observations of parodied Valley-girl-speak, isn't 
> /u/
> sort of a centralized/unrounded diphthong, sort of [1M]? And /o/ would
> behave similarly, something like [@]+unrounded o-glide (don't know the
> symbol)-- or even almost like RP [Ew]????
  Well, Penelope Eckert from the Linguistics department at Stanford says 
that /u/ and /o/ in valley speak get fronted, not unrounded. I think though 
that there's a variety of sounds (as the dialect accent is still very young)
 
A fronted [u] would indeed by [y]; a fronted [o] would be either o-slash or
> oe-lig. A real IPA chart should show both the rounded and unrounded 
> symbols,
> for both front and back V.
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  This is why I always make conlangs with simple vowel phonolgies, I'm not 
good at hearing the differences :).
 If you listen to the NPR interview here: 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1693373

You should hear examples of the vowels I'm talking about. 

 Unless someone has a sound link to the varieties of vowels there are?
 


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