Re: Pablo is back, Job, Argentina, Relay, Lord of the Rings
| From: | Elliott Lash <al260@...> |
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| Date: | Wednesday, January 9, 2002, 6:34 |
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Stephen Mulraney <ataltanie@...> writes:
> Scriobh Sally Caves:
>
> > ... I loved the LotR:FotR. Legolas:
> > "Crebain from Dunland!" (It's been a while since I've
> > read these books, but I know someone else speaks this);
> > but doesn't this look like an "Elvish" version of L. corvinus,
> > "raven"? Or am I just fishing in the dark? What's the
> > Irish for "raven"?
>
> "fiach dubh" /f'ax duv/ , '=palatalisation x=velar fric. voiceless.
> Actually 'fiach' alone seems to mean 'raven', as in the phrase "comh
> dubh leis an bhfiach" (with urú [lenition] of bh- on the initial f),
I've always understood that <bhf> represents eclipsed <f> rather than lenited f.
Isn't lenited <f> represented by <fh>, and pronounced as zero?
[snip]
>
> > Or the Norse? What language does
> > Tolkien make this word come from?
Why would he make it from any language? Although there are instances of INFLUENCE,
he didn't MAKE his languages from any real world source. (Nit picking words I
know! :)). Anyways, I'm going to ask the etymology of crebain (plural of
carban? corban? anyone?), on the Elfling list, see if anyone over there knows.
I can't find it in the Etymologies.
Elliott
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