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Re: CHAT: Brainstorming! Relative clauses

From:Patrick Dunn <tb0pwd1@...>
Date:Tuesday, October 5, 1999, 21:30
On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, taliesin the storyteller wrote:

> I'm currently struggling with understanding the rel. cl. of my lang > correctly, and thought I'd look at how it works in other langs. > Unfortunately, it seems that relative clauses is part of the grammar > that is 'not yet online' :) Does it change too often? > > Anyways, how -do- you do relative clauses in your conlangs? Here's > something for y'all to translate... (substitute words when necessary...)
Hatasoe has a useful little particle "ni" that's a relativizer, both subjective and objective (and therefore also possessive).
> > rel. subject: > "The dog that saw the cat was large."
peshuo ni-du-hivia esho se-saba Dog which-it-see cat it-is.big
> > rel. object: > "The dog saw the cat that killed the mouse."
peshuo se-du-hivia esho ni-lo-tatea sipue dog it-it-see cat which-it-kill mouse.
> > nested: > "The dog that saw the cat that killed the mouse that was large drank > from the river that John put the poison in."
peshuo ni-du-hivia esho ni-lo-tatea sipue ni-saba se-patua katoko pazhue; dog which.it.see cat which.it.kill mouse which-is.large it.drink out.of water ni John se-no-kasea oa-kalakape pizue ko. which John he.them.put pl.poisons into it.
> rel. indirect object: > "The dog that John gave the ball to."
John se-lo-omaka poloe paza-ni peshuo John he-it-give ball to-which dog.
> "The cat that the dog was bigger than."
esho ni peshuo se-sasaba lan-ni. cat which dog it-is.bigger than-which (I'm not sure about this one; it makes my head hurt)
> rel. posessor: > "The dog saw the cat whose teeth were huge."
peshuo se-du-hivia esho ni kateshea-ni ran-esabea. Dog it.it.see cat which tooth(cons.)-whose they-be.huge. Some of these examples are contrived. Hatasoe just doesn't handle subordination all that well or all that frequently.